Dear Uncle Dick, Are you sure that you haven't been picking up tricks from the 2 Oz scientists who won an Ignobel this year for deducing a formula calculating how many exposures would be required for a group shot, using the number of participants as the known factor, to avoid blinks, movement, and other problems? See http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps2cw.html Regards from the east coast - Ross on 4/2/07 11:07, Stein at rstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Dear Friends, Actually, the tag line should have read Aha, Scan This Ya Bastids but I didn't know if there were any weak hearts amongst the readership so I decided to let you in easy. I normally nver descend into vulgarity ( Preferring to let it rise to my level....) but in this case I am feeling pretty chuffed with myself. The reason is simple. Pure Silver rules again. Uncle Dick has done what no man has done before - he has managed to capture all of his social cub in an annual group portrait with every face evenly illuminated and no motion blurs. The frame is filled and no-one is making indian feathers with teir fingers above anyone else's head. It is a triumph of the art. The art of herding cats. I can thoroughly reccommend an Amphoto book on group portraiture - once past the family and wedding groups it has real practical advice on lighting and camera position. I used the technique of a camera on a tall tripod looking down on the rows of subjects with a very small tilt of the front standard ( Try THAT on your Canon 10D, Deadly Rival! Hah!) and all the faces are good. As the portrait is in full shade we boosted it with two monobloc flashes. I meant two light stands, a tripod and a ladder plus extension cords and plugpads and I used the old trick of "We Count to Three" and then shot on two. The real success was the film choice . 4 x 5 HP5 developed in Rodinal 1:25. Then printed on a big slab of Ilford MG at grade 1 3/4. I chose the standard print size of 9 1/4 inches by 16 inches and I made sure that all four corners of the print are different. The man down at Custom Framing sends me a valentine each year. Uncle Dick =========================== Ross Chambers Blue Mountains New South Wales Australia maelduin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ===========================