What I meant was, once I run Audio Export, that is an automatic
process, correct, which div ides a Daisy file into separate files if
there are marked sections in it.
--Daveed--At 08:23 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
Daveed,
The process of carrying out the various stages is not automatic, it's just the phrase splitting during recording that's automatic. You still will need to do quite a lot as separate stages e.g. set up the project, import the original recording, run the audio export process etc as manually activated processes.
However, if you are referring to the audio export process after it has been started, the process of separating the audio files is done automatically as part of the process. You don't have to manually split the resulting files afterwards. All you've got to do is to ensure that you have the audio you want in separate sections within the PRS software before running the audio export.
Hopefully the distinction is clear enough?
If you want to keep the whole file together as well, you can just keep the DAISY version. Although the audio files will equate to the sections, they will play continuously if played with a DAISY player or by the PRS software. Alternatively you could, I suppose, import the individual files in sequence into Sound Forge and then save them as a single audio file. You could also achieve this by merging all the sections in the PRS version and then export the audio again which will result in a single audio file as there would then be only one section.
There's quite a lot of methods of dealing with this so apologies if I'm adding to your confusion.
Cheers,
Jamie
-----Original Message----- From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell Sent: Tue, 17 October 2006 15:20 To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2
So this is automatic--that is, splitting a file into separate files or sections, through Audio Export in PRS--no need for manual separation. So I can simply take the marked-up file, that has secion time codes within it, run it through Audio Export in PRS, and voila--each section is now a separate file, correct? What if you want to keep the entire file together, even if you add section codes--to be able to preserve a copy of that file?
--Daveed--
At 07:01 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote:
>Ray, > >I just read this message again and don't remember anyone coming back to >you about the specific question about the way that audio is split into >chunks. > >Essentially, one of the features of the DAISY system is its ability to >automatically split a recording into chunks called phrases. These are >pieces of audio between periods of silence. The way that the audio is >split depends on the setting of the phrase pause time. This can be set >(I think) in the range 0.2 seconds to 1 second. You may need, for >example, to alter this setting if someone speaks very quickly or very >slowly. > >This splitting happens throughout the DAISY title. In addition to this >type of dividing of the audio, the user can also mark areas in the audio >that they want to be able to get back to easily. By using the Heading >key on the PTR1/2, you can drop in these markers in the recording. The >audio between one heading and the next is called a section in both the >PTR1/2 recorders and the PRS software. Hence, it is very typical to >have a quantity of phrases in each section. > >What you were asking about being able to get separate audio files from >phrases and sections is a wee bit more fiddly to explain but I'll try to >give you a flavour. > >When making the initial recording on the PTR1/2, pressing the Heading >key will simply place a timing marker in the DAISY file. If you have >made only one continuous recording there will only be one audio file on >the CD. However, if you take that recording and import it into the PRS >software, one of the things that you can do is to perform an Audio >Export which will result in there being a unique audio file for each >section. I suppose that, if you wanted to isolate an individual phrase >to end up in a unique audio file, you could edit the DAISY title in the >PRS to have just that single phrase in its own section. > >Hopefully this will make some kind of sense. If you are in the UK and >need further help, feel free to phone me at work on 0141 337 2955 and >I'll happily give you any other information I can. > >Regards, > >Jamie > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rays home >Sent: Thu, 12 October 2006 19:58 >To: ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: RE: is there anything a PTR1 can do not available on PTR2 > >Must say I find what I'm hearing about the PRS software >facinating. What has just been said sounds a bit like Sound >Forges ability to chop a file up into regions by detecting >silences and thresholds, and of course these regions can be >saved as files. Am I getting the drift here? > >On David's quesitons, I just wonder, how good is the manual >for the PTR2 and the associated software? Unfortunately I've >not found the money to subscribe to Brian Hartgen's Infotech >just yet, otherwise I might know better. > >Maybe in the meantime I should go and look at the web site. >If anyone does have comments re. the manual and any tutorials, >I'd like to hear. > >Thanks. > >Ray. > > >Hello, > >Completely agree with the thoughts below. > >Just want to make sure that people know about the editing >capabilities in the PRS. I find the audio editing by splitting >phrases, and then cut and paste of phrases very powerful. For >example, the speaker coughs; you can get the cough into a >separate phrase and then just delete it. Of course, that cough >is not really gone until you create the distribution copy or >do an audio export. > Best George > > -----Original Message----- From: >ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >Cuthbertson, Jamie Sent: there anything a PTR1 can do not >available on PTR2 > > Daveed, Basically forget using the page and group >settings if you don't want to make use of them within a >DAISY end product. Stick entirely to using the heading key to >mark locations of interest. Once you've finished your >recording on the PTR2, finalise the CD and import the DAISY >title into the PRS software. Your heading markers will be >used to determine the sections in the imported DAISY title. > Next edit all the audio in whatever way best suits your >purposes for the programme you are creating. Once all >editing is complete, use the "Audio Export" feature to >generate a different DAISY title in which the chunks of >audio, that relate to each section, will be reorganised so >that you end up with a unique audio file for each section. > You can then access the audio files and use them in other >editing software if required, in the knowledge that the audio >has been tidied up to be how you want it. Hope this >helps. > >Jamie >-----Original Message----- From: >ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >[mailto:ptr1-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed >Mandell Sent: Tue, 10 October 2006 14:58 To: >ptr1-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: is there anything a >PTR1 can do not available on PTR2 > >So, what do I do, Michael, with files I've recorded on the >PTR2 where I've marked various headings and pages, to >indicate possible sound bites? Must I then use the PRS to >find and isolate them, and then move to Sound Forge? I still >haven't received an answer to my basic quewstion from anyone >here, even though I think I understand the overall picutre >somewhat better. I'm on tight deadlines and don't have lots >of time to pla around with all kinds of software. So what's >the procedure these possible cuts and isolate them? I assume > I should forget about using the Page or Group keys on the >PTR2, since since using the PRS Audio Export probably won't >help me find those marks; but I assume also that when using >the Heading Key on the PTR2, and then the PRS Audio Export, >I'll end up with separate audio files for each section. So >far, niether IRTI in the US, nor Plextor Japan, hasn't >assisted me. Plextor USA a\has washed its hand entirely of >the Plextalk products. I urge people in the USA to contact >Plextor USA's public relations outlet asking Plesxtor to >actively support their Plextalk products. It is >unbelieveable to me that Plextor would decide to provide >absolutely no support whatsoever for their own products. A >--DaveedInterested persons should write \ marcom@xxxxxxxxxxx > -- t 10:44 PM 10/6/2006, you wrote: Daveed, you wrote: > Sorry, I didn't make it clear that I would be pressing the >Heading Key at various times to mark passages of a >particular speaker for use as sound bites in my radio news >reports. I would not be using the PRS at all. >If you just press the heading key, the Plextalks will not >create a new audio file in DAISY recordings. >Without the PRS, you cannot convert the markers, which are set >by pressing the heading key into beginnings of new audio >files. One can do that with the PRS, by using the Audio >Export function from the tools menu. With this function, one >can create audio files, which truly reflect all the inserts, >overwrites, heading markers etc. of a DAISY recording. 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