[projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
- From: "David Davis" <feline1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:33:05 +0100
John, you defy the sacred texts of the Monastery Mailbag! Heretic!! :-D
From: John TFS
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:28 PM
To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
And all this, right here, is why I have decided to just slap the +10CS, -1EP
onto veteran LW and have done with it. No messing about with "hidden loyalty
bonuses" and the like. The loyalty bonuses are the Items. The only difference
between Veteran LW and "Newbie GM" LW is that Veteran LW gets to keep whatever
stuff he's picked up along the way. Otherwise, excepting the Random Number
picks for CS and EP and the specific GM Discipline picks, one version of Kai
Grandmaster LW is equal to any other Kai Grandmaster LW.
> Subject: [projectaon] Re: Outstanding Errata Sprint (Week 6)
> From: crusty.chris@xxxxxxxxx
> To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:13:46 +1200
>
> On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 15:19 +0800, Timothy Pederick wrote:
> > You know, something just occurred to me. The +3 from WM only applies
> > if you choose the Bow as one of your WM weapons. The same goes for
> > GWM, but not for the Mentora bonus! That bonus simply applies to any
> > random number pick with a missile weapon, regardless of what WM
> > weapons you've chosen.
> >
>
> That could also mean that the Mentora bonus was meant to only apply if
> you dont have WM in the bow (ie you get either +2 or +3, but not both).
> I assumed it added to the WM bonus.
>
> Either way, the Improved Disciplines section specifically says "As you
> rise through the higher levels of Magnakai training you will ... now
> benefit from improvements to the following *Magnakai Disciplines*" which
> means this bonus specifically applies to Magnakai Weaponmastery. Bonuses
> to WM do NOT automatically apply to GWM - there is nothing in the rules
> to say they do.
>
> When you are fighting you can either use Magnakai Weaponmastery OR Grand
> Weaponmastery (cf mindshield and psi-screen and kai-screen) you dont use
> both simultaneously. Its like fighting using Kung Fu Panda style and
> Praying Mantis style simultaneously, or (if youre a Fist of the North
> Star fan - Hokuto Shinken and Nanto Seiken).
>
> > I think that this gives a lot of weight to the idea that the Mentora
> > bonus is a "hidden loyalty bonus" that can apply equally to GWM.
>
> Surely your Action Chart looks something like:
>
> Kai Disciplines:
> Weaponskill in _______ +2 COMBAT SKILL points if this weapon carried
> Mindshield: no points lost when attacked by Mindblast
> Mindblast: +2 COMBAT SKILL points
>
> Magnakai Disciplines:
> Weaponmastery: +4 COMBAT SKILL points, -1 COMBAT SKILL (unarmed), +2
> bow/dagger throws
> Psi-screen: no points lost when attacked by Mindforce
> Psi-surge: +6 COMBAT SKILL points but -1 ENDURANCE points per round
>
> Grand Master Disciplines:
> Grand Weaponmastery: +5 COMBAT SKILL, +3 bow throws
> Kai-surge: +8 COMBAT SKILL but -1 ENDURANCE points per round or +4
> COMBAT SKILL
> Kai-screen:
>
> How exactly can you apply the Mentora bonus to GWM? It obviously applies
> to WM. GWM is a completely different discipline.
>
> > It also blasts a big hole in the (already shaky) theory that GWM's +3
> > is an improvement to Mentora's +2.
> >
>
> Again, if you Action Chart looked like the above, there is no way this
> theory would hold true.
>
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