[projectaon] Re: Book 13 Erratum
- From: John TFS <johntfs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 15:51:19 +0000
> From: feline1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [projectaon] Re: Book 13 Erratum
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 07:25:09 +0100
>
> I agree with Chris's reasoning below, and furthermore do we have any
> canonical basis for changing it?
>
> To be honest, it's a bit like that thing were a kid in school asks the
> teacher "Please Miss, can I go to the toilet?" and she says "I don't know,
> can you?" and they apparently should have asked "May I got to the toilet?"
> (Well, they used to do that in the UK in my day, at least.... it's probably
> illegal now or something ;)
> i.e. it's pedantic and we could add a footnote musing about the possible
> interpretations if you want, but they seem to pain some people.
Assuming that Veteran players can reset their stats, does this also mean that
they can also keep and use their various allowed Special Items (Sommerswerd,
etc)? Also, does this means that they can use their Magnakai
bonuses(Psi-surge, Weaponmastery) as well?
Let's take an example, shall we?
At the end of the Magnakai quest we have a Lone Wolf with a CS of 20 and and EP
of 36(his initial picks back in FFtD were 5s for both stats). Like a dutiful
(and fortunate) Lone Wolf, he's collected all the various Special Items and of
course has the Magnakai Disciplines. So, he does a stat reset and rolls 5s
again. At this point his effective stats will be CS 30, EP 35, but we're not
done yet. Adding in the Special Items' bonuses, he generally enters any fight
with a CS of 45 and an EP of 37. He also gets +4 for Weaponmastery and may use
Psi-surge against many opponents. Thus, at Book 13, this version of Lone Wolf
can have an effective CS of 55 and an EP of 37.
For my part, I still prefer my idea if simply adding 10 to your base CS at the
end of Book 12 and subtract 1 from your EP. Also, you get no bonuses from
Magnakai skills except the +1 EP per section from Curing as everything is
already considered to be added in. At which point you proceed as a normal
Grandmaster(gaining the full +5 for Grand Weaponmastery when/if you take it).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Neilson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:19 AM
> To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [projectaon] Re: Book 13 Erratum
>
> On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 15:56 -0700, Jonathan Blake wrote:
> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Simon Osborne <outspaced@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Over on the forum is a post about something we intend to alter for the
> > > next
> > > release of Book 13, specifically the hoary old chestnut about re-picking
> > > stats when transitioning from Book 12 -> 13. Since you don;t repick your
> > > starts in transitioning from Book 1 -> 2 (just in case you might get
> > > better
> > > numbers), it seems obvious to me that you do NOT re-pick stats, but some
> > > feel otherwise.
> > >
> > > <http://projectaon.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=helpwanted&action=display&thread=2248>
> > >
> > > Anyone want to field a reply/response? Are we happy with the changes we
> > > intend to make? Am currently laid low with a very unpleasant bug, so
> > > I'll
> > > leave it in the capable hands of the rest of the PA staff! ;-)
> >
> > Hope you're feeling better now.
> >
> > This seems to have gotten very little discussion the first go 'round
> > because we got caught up with +3/+5 Bow bonus. I can see the point of
> > someone being at a disadvantage if they started in the middle of the
> > series (although I wonder if anyone does that now that all of the
> > books are freely available online). Should we just reverse our
> > decision and leave it as "can"?
> >
>
> I believe we should leave it as "can".
>
> Its my opinion that the Grandmaster books are balanced for a player not
> carrying stats over from previous books. Therefore playing with stats
> that are lower than the lowest possible book13-only stats puts you at a
> distinct disadvantage (especially if you have not obtained the
> Sommerswerd for whatever reason) - I actually get the impression this
> whole thing was a way to nerf the CS imbalance by those with the sword
> and those without (it would have been much better if the sword set your
> base CS to X while wielding it rather than adding X - ah well). I cant
> see any reason why a veteran player should not have the option of
> dumping all their stats and resetting them for books 13+ if they so
> choose. The word "can" implies you have this option, as does "should" -
> but "should" is pushing an interpretation of the rules that is not
> backed by any official (ie from Joe or newsletters) recommendation (as
> far as I am aware).
>
> Basically it seems like a case of changing wording for no benefit.
>
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