i made a wave file of the void intro that loops seamlessly without fades. piece of cake. yayz! however encoding an mp3 that works seamlessly is a bit of a challenge. the programs i've been using put a small space at the beginning which is enough to make the loop pretty un-seamless. but i found a command line encoder and i'll play around with different switch combinations to see if i can eliminate the gap. also i was thinking of a way to do an initial fade in that might be kind of like what nick was saying. since the music routine seems to have the ability to cross fade between two songs i was thinking a fade-in could be made by fading from an inaudible mp3 into the target mp3. if the inaudible mp3 (either total silence if possible or more likely one with a pitch thats too high or low to hear) is the length of the cross fade then it would simulate a simple fade-in. alan you may be wondering why a fade-in is needed at all but i think you'll see once you start playing with the files. it has to do with how i take the remainder thats left after the last notes are played and cut it and paste it at the beginning of the song. it's kind of like making seamless tiles- you cut a piece from the right side of the image for example and paste it on the left side. it's the same with music loops kind of. but when the song starts you have the remainder from the end playing at the beginning and it could sound a little strange. hence the need for either an additional file that has no remainder at all or a fade-in so the remainder isn't obvious. anyway i'll be working on the mp3 encoder to see what i can come up with. if i can't get a working mp3 would it be possible to use the wave file?