[project1dev] Re: scenario ideas
- From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:57:36 -0400
yeah we'll finish the intro scenarios first... i really think it will
provide the backbone for the rest of the game storywise and characterwise...
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Yeah that makes sense.
>
> I think we should figure it out before too long.
>
> I'm willing to wait til the intro scenarios are done though. We don't
> really need to know until then, but yeah maybe you guys will start figuring
> that stuff out sooner so we'll be ready by the time we are done w/ the
> scenarios?
>
> BTW i might be assuming too much but i'm assuming we'll finish the intro
> scenarios before moving on? Or at least do a couple of em so there is some
> semblance of real character creation? What were you thinkin Eric on that
> front?
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I guess we should start working on fleshing out the game progression
>> before we get too far ahead of ourselves. We could answer some more simple
>> questions first.
>>
>> I thought Eric mentioned something about having multiple worlds that
>> eventually meet up in the end. We should sort content by world, then by
>> areas of the world such as caves, towns, etc. I think art and everything
>> should be separated with more sub folders with in.
>>
>> I think I will start gathering all the information from the emails and
>> prepare them into whatever will be copied to the wikis. This way we will
>> have this information easily accessible.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Basically everyone breaks it into a tree of subfolders. What those
>>> subfolders are named / how the tree is laid out depends on the kind of game.
>>>
>>> Like if your game was level based, you could have a subfolder for each
>>> level and that'd be pretty much it.
>>>
>>> Also generally, assets aren't grouped all together, like you'll have an
>>> audio folder w/ the directory tree of audio, a folder for art w/ the
>>> directory tree of art etc.
>>>
>>> If you have a huge world, you might break it into a grid (or break it
>>> into continents first then grid).
>>>
>>> It's hard cause right now we don't know how the world will be laid out so
>>> it's hard to come up with a good plan.
>>>
>>> This thing is generaly more of a problem for art than anyone else, but in
>>> our game it'll be a problem w/ everything since we'll have so much content
>>> (scripts, art, audio, etc).
>>>
>>> I dunno the solution yet but we'll need to figure something out to make
>>> it organized in a simple way so we dont get burned :/
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do other game developers do for file management?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yeah basically if we are careful and avoid dangerous situations I think
>>>>> we can be ok. But yeah we are going to be walking the knife edge where we
>>>>> could easily fall into a situation where the game has so many bugs and
>>>>> they
>>>>> are all intertwined that fixing one breaks another one that we may just
>>>>> have
>>>>> to say "fuck it, we cant fix it" and give up.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's just certain things that are dangerous that can be helped w/
>>>>> some forethought and good, consistant organization that i want to make
>>>>> sure
>>>>> we avoid, and if we start hitting issues we'll have to address them before
>>>>> they get out of hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> File organization is one of those such things! :P
>>>>>
>>>>> but yeah, the reputation / decision system is another.
>>>>>
>>>>> we'll have to be careful
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I assumed combat would be upgraded =)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Testing will get very complicated very quickly. We must make sure we
>>>>>> don't fall into similar problems that Fallout 1 and 2 had (never played
>>>>>> 3).
>>>>>> Those games had so many things going on that 3rd party people are still
>>>>>> releasing patches for those titles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan, I think you may be the only person with real experience here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We could deffinately keep a tally of how many times the player used
>>>>>>> each skill and then have that affect things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The var storage system josh is making would be great for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also whenever we do the gladiator sceario, there will be heavy
>>>>>>> improvements to the combat system if it hasn't been upgraded by that
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> already (:
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Kent Petersen
>>>>>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like the way these scenarios are fleshing out as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How would you have the lineage scenario play out? Would it be more
>>>>>>>> like a dating sim?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> re: Gladiator scenario. I like the idea of it being and old
>>>>>>>> gladiators last battle. I like Alan's idea about combat being like the
>>>>>>>> beginning of FF3(6), where combat is easy and fdifficult to lose. This
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> the player will learn the basics of Combat, such as dodging. The first
>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>> rounds would be easy training but then it could start bringing out the
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> difficult combat challenges until the player ultimately wins something
>>>>>>>> (maybe his freedom like ancient rome) or loses and dies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be cool if this part of the game kept track of your
>>>>>>>> fighting style. For example, it may know if you prefer to dodge, supper
>>>>>>>> attack, or regular attack, and it would give you stats accordingly.
>>>>>>>> Maybe if
>>>>>>>> you dodge all the time you could get a bonus dodging move like a
>>>>>>>> counter
>>>>>>>> attack. If you super attacked all the time you could get a finishing
>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>> that leaves you defenseless if you don't finish them off. If we wanted
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> get really detailed you could even determine their turn reload time by
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> amount of time they spend on their turns. Maybe if you click through
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> turns real quick you can get a speed bonus but if you take your time
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> could receive an armor bonus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would hope there would be an engaging story as well. Which is
>>>>>>>> definately more of Eric's expertise. What do you guys think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yeah totally, good ideas - i like the idea that ppl may regard you
>>>>>>>>> as famous or whatnot or maybe help you (or despise you) like that
>>>>>>>>> could work
>>>>>>>>> in conjuction with the faction stuff and charisma, having a noble
>>>>>>>>> upbringing
>>>>>>>>> so maybe you're a jerk and peasents hate you but you know courtly
>>>>>>>>> manners so
>>>>>>>>> royalty like you, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we'll flesh it out more when we work on that scenario
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i really like the idea of having diverse scenarios with multiple
>>>>>>>>> solutions for character creation seems really fun to play through and
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Alan Wolfe <
>>>>>>>>> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that would be really cool eric, like it could affect what kind of
>>>>>>>>>> house you live in, your starting equipment, how people treat you (ie
>>>>>>>>>> are the
>>>>>>>>>> gaurds friendly cause your father was a famous knight? or do they
>>>>>>>>>> hate you
>>>>>>>>>> cause you are a begger and a thief trying to survive?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That parent scenario sounds pretty cool. How would the lineage
>>>>>>>>>>> affect your character?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:32 PM, eric drewes
>>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> yep yep :) this is awesome... see, and like, death in these
>>>>>>>>>>>> intros wouldnt necessarily be a "you lose" thing, it would just be
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> completetion of a story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> something i was thinking also is we could have a scenario maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> where you play your father (or mother) and the choice you make
>>>>>>>>>>>> (unbeknowst
>>>>>>>>>>>> to you until later...) would affect your lineage... like you make
>>>>>>>>>>>> the choice
>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the end it shows two people and a baby and they are like
>>>>>>>>>>>> "aww... lets
>>>>>>>>>>>> name it <your name>" so its revealed at the end of the scenario it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was your
>>>>>>>>>>>> parents, not just random ppl
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Alan Wolfe <
>>>>>>>>>>>> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those are neat ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like yeah....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's say you play as a knight and you come across a gleaming
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sword saying its like a 1 use sword, waiting for the true hero to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have the gaul to take it for yourself, you end up dying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the heart of undead land (like its unavoidable).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So... if you take it you get some kind of modifier to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> character, but the sword is now kept in some undead lands, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but, if you leavbe it, it's more accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe you have to get this sword as part of a quest so it would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make that quest harder or easier :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) cool idea re: crashing the boat - i really think it'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fun to balance it out so you really "can't lose" in the intro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scenarios, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance it in non-linear ways like you mentioned. for instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crashed the boat right away, you would lose out on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oppurtunity to gain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure hunting, trap evading, action skills BUT its balanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out by being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to find maybe a unique treasure later in the game off of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the explorer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corpse next to his crashed boat. we definitely don't have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance apples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to apples :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Kent Petersen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool Eric. I am on the same page with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If adventure, stealing, having dexterity an being nimble is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what the scenario is about then losing it should give you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposite bonuses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if you fight with the natives you will get more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strength and or life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bonuses. There could even be an extra powerful bonus that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may get for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing immediately. Maybe you crash the boat never make it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the natives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your player character will be able to raid the boat in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Alan Wolfe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll be cool when we are done from the cave, we can all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about which mission we want to do and start fleshing it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> storyboard it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's gunnna be awesome! (:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yeah i don't have a detailed storyboard or anything for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this one but i do have some things in mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) if you died anywhere in the scenario, that would be "the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end" of the scenario - basically keeping you from getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure hunting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bonuses that come with surviving the scenario but balanced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bonuses instead... we dont really want to make it so you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rerolling" your character and i like the idea of learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from mistakes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they made so they dont feel like they have to be perfect all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) persuasion of the natives could come in the form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe finding an item (an idol or something) in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exploration part before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you stumble upon them that allows dialogue options, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatnot.. or maybe if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you find the cave BEFORE you find the natives, you get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave and when you exit you present it to them and they make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you king or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. we'll have to work this out one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) there'll definitely be a lot of different bonuses, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for actions during the scenario - win or lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) i basically envision the traps from indiana jones and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the like... maybe you step on the wrong tiles and darts fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at you, maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theres cielings that collapse and you have to find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger to stop it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from crushing you, maybe failing at doing a puzzle will set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off a trap,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. combat also may set it off, and maybe you have to fight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automaton incan guardbot ha...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) i totally had the same thought as you on this...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regardless with what happens to the explorer, he' could show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (either you find him on the other side, or maybe hes trapped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the cave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a trap or the natives have captured him or else yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's chillin in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jailbreak area. also if you fail as the explorer to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure would be there in the main game and maybe its needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> item so if its gone you have to find the explorer, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Kent Petersen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens if you die? Would you lose points to treasure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hunting and fighting? How would that impact the story?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would one persuade the natives to help?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would there be only one treasure to get or would there be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lesser treasures for lesser bonuses?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of stuff would the traps trigger? Combat or?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Random thought: If a character dies in one the the games
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intro scenarios we could always re-use that character when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jail breaking scenarios to rescue teammates. Perhaps your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure hunting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> character dies but your player character could meet the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later when trying to rescue one of your team mates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just adding a couple more basic intro scenario ideas i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to see what you guys thought (and if you guys have any,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please feel free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to share!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. The Explorer - this scenario is inspired by the death
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Magellen at the hands of natives in the battle of Mactan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as well as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scene in "The Fountain" in the beginning where Ponce de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leon is fighting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the aztecs trying to reach the fountain of youth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classic explorer and native stuff (also indiana jones...)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and think an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awesome scenario would be an explorer landing his boat at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the edge of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> river and exploring a little jungle area and getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacked by natives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's how I see it playing out, you actively control a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boat down a river until you read a dead end of sorts (like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe you go over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a water fall or hit some rocks), you get out and explore a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little jungle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area (maybe a couple wild animal enemies) and stumble upon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a small native
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp. They attack forcing the character to flee (as little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cut scenes as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible, id like to lead the character where we want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but leave the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> active control in their hands) and he enters a small cave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is a shrine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the natives (the natives stop outside the shrine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because its a sacred
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area) - once inside its an indiana jones-esque collection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of puzzles and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dangers ultimately leading (assuming you survive!) to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of treasure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and an exit to safety.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects of this scenario would be adding to things like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treasure hunting/avarice, possibly helping charisma (maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends with the natives rather than fight them) some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combat-ish stuff,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obviously a lot of action stuff like survivng traps and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figuring out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puzzles, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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