[project1dev] Re: multiplayer
- From: Matthew Morgan <MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:09:50 -0700
Perhaps this project should just be single player except for the saucer idea,
and on the next one we can all be more multiplayer-minded?
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[mailto:project1dev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kent Petersen
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:05 AM
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
Forcing players to split up is a good idea too. That way it's like 2 separate
single player levels. In single player the player could choose either path.
It's a good way to avoid having to test things for both single and multiplayer
because it would really only be 2 separate single player paths. There are
numerous other ways to keep simple multi playered levels as well, such as a
simple switch that requires a player to stand on. You could have a door with
trapped enemies inside. One player stands on the switch to open the door where.
The second player then battles hsi way into this room single handedly. If the
battleing player becomes too wounded he can leave the battle room and swap
places with the 1st player. So now you have one fresh player battling and the
wounded player recovering on the switch. That type of scenario would be
relativly simple to make and require 2 players.
I guess there would be an increase in content. There probably wouldn't be
double the content but there would definately be an increase. It would also get
very difficult to manage once the levels became larger and more complicated.
I think having full on multiplayer could create an amazing experience. I think
it would take a lot of careful planning to truly make it shine. On that same
thought, if multiplayer was half assed and not as polished as I imagine, the
game would be terrible no matter how great all of the other aspects are.
Especially since we would be designing the game from the ground up with that
feature in mind. If we do decide to change our minds it would be difficult.
What does everyone else think?
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Alan Wolfe
<alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
#1 and #3 make sense (:
For #2 would you want to build and script twice as much stuff... one for single
player and one for multiplayer? And then you'd have to test both to make sure
they work ok and that there wasn't a typo (like an extra 0 added onto how much
rep you get for completing the multiplayer quest vs the single).
Duplicated effort tends to have a lot of bugs in it because of human error
(thats why people make functions instead of copy / pasting code).
Seems like we'd introduce a lot of bugs and have to do double the work going
that way, but it is a pretty good idea as a solution to the problem. Like for
instance maybe we could only have 2 versions where it mattered. So for most of
the game it's all the same stuff but in caves where there are puzzles etc they
change whether you are single or multiplayer. I'd still be weary about the
extra bugs it would for sure create.
From a technical standpoint i really agree w/ you on the last point, i like the
idea of limited / specialized multiplayer (:
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Kent Petersen
<kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Oh, fun questions.
1a) I assumed people would get thrown into the fight together. Either person
triggers a fight both players go in.
1b) If you wanted it to be a little more interesting you could have it where
the players need the enage the enemies individually. After the player touches a
monster there is a small delay before entering the battle to give the 2nd
player a chance to get into the fight. The second player can choose to not
fight at all or fight something different. Battles could play out in more of a
real time. Potentially you could even have monster or players join the battle
once it's going.
2) dungeon design wouldnt be too bad. I would say you would make 2 paths. 1 for
single player and one for multiplayer. You could have them have different
items. The single player path could have things break once you pass making it a
one person way. The multiplayer paths could have puzzles that require 2 ppl.
3a) I assumed that the players will just drag eachother. If one player enters a
new room the second player will teleport there.
3b)You could also do it toe jam and earl style (original on the genesis) where
the players are just allowed to seperate. This would go well with the combat
idea.
With all that said I feel it is unnessasry. Maybe a colliseum could be cool to
battle your friends and to compare equipment. Maybe there could be an online
FF7 Golden Saucer where everyone can meet gamble, show off gear, whatever.
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Alan Wolfe
<alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
ok so you guys are saying ""yeah multiplayer!!!" but lets talk details.
So how would it work?
lets ignore technical concerns and talk game design...
#1) how would combat work... if you are walking around and your buddy is too,
and he gets into a fight, do you automatically get tossed into that fight to?
what happens?
#2) if we allow multiplayer, we'd have to design all caves and dungeons to work
with multiplayer. What i mean is we couldn't have any puzzles or things which
were designed for single player. IE if you have something like you have to
push a boulder from upstairs into a pit, it falls downstairs, you roll it onto
the switch and you can get into another room, we can't do that cause in
multiplayer, the 2nd player could just stand on the switch and let you through
etc.
#3) what happens when your buddy enters a different room while you are walking
around in the 1st room or like exploring it... do you get teleported into the
other room automatically?
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Matthew Morgan
<MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Yep yep. 6-3, trying to get it switched to 5:30-2:00=-D
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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:37 AM
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
What time do you get in, 6am?
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From: Matthew Morgan
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:36:24 -0700
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
Yah, and I do work pretty early....
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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:32 AM
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
Lol...... He has a weird schedule like 10 - 7 or something
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From: Matthew Morgan
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:30:24 -0700
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
Maybe if he'd get up and get to work like us!
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On Behalf Of eric drewes
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:27 AM
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
yeah, we'll have to talk to alan about this stuff cuz it could almost be a game
in and of itself
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Matthew Morgan
<MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I like the gauntlet or Man vs Beast w/one weapon, adds a little flavor to it,
maybe there could be different parts of the arena for different things, a
gambling hall, a gladiator hall(full on battles), a bestiary (battling beasts
w/one weapon), wrestling ring (diff weight classes) all with diff. challenges
or things to do.
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Behalf Of Chris Sherman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:23 AM
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
I love the arena/tournament idea but I've never seen anybody really take it
where I think it could go. For instance having a heavyweight and lightweight
battle class would be cool, betting could be done in increments and instead of
just getting your pool back plus house money you would get other players money.
I also like the thought of having different challenges like a gauntlet or a man
vs beasts where man is equipped with only one weapon and no armor... Feel free
to expand on it if you wish :)
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From: figarus@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:17:57 +0000
To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
quick things...
I agree co-op would be fun but my only concern is, it will take away some
resources that could be used in other places that may be better bang for the
buck...
Alan iis gathering ideas for making how multiplayer would potentially work so
maybe he has yet another rabbit to pull out of his hat :)
Re: arena...
Definitely one of the things I am really into for this game is a battle arena
wheer you can fight, or gamble on monsters fighting :) something to definitely
thing about if anyone has any ideas
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From: Matthew Morgan
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 07:08:24 -0700
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
I definitely think being able to hook up with your friends and playing would
make the game way better... everythings better with buddies.
How would it work though, you would just have your heros? Or would it be the
guy who set it ups party and you can control one of his guys?
I like the idea of arenas. Kind of like the Coliseum in FF3 or something where
you could join in and battle people perhaps for unique-ish items or something.
Just an idea...
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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:59 AM
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
Alan and I talked about maybe at least having an arena where you can fight
other ppl... I defer to him when it comes to multiplayer cuz he knows how hard
it will be and will be the one putting code in...
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From: "Chris Sherman"
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:53:44 +0000
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
What if we did it small scale multiplayer like you could be on a server or
virtual lan with buddies or a few random people and if you wanted to join their
party you could but you wouldn't have to. Ie test drive unlimiteds approach to
mmo
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From: Matthew Morgan
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:49:38 -0700
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
Multiplayer IS bonus. But it would maybe get difficult is other people had
wanted to go different directions in dungeons/caves and what not, and some
people like grinding and some people want to just get through it, so maybe MP
wouldn't be good in this case... I dunno.
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Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:31 AM
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
Multiplayer is awesome, TOTALY AWESOME!
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Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:17:27 +0000
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
I guess the question is... Do you guys think ppl would be interested in playing
multiplayer? FF6 had it but I never used it. I love co-op and playing w/
friends but I don't know if itd work with a story driven rpg...
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From: Matthew Morgan
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 06:11:53 -0700
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Subject: [project1dev] Re: multiplayer
I think that would be perfect=-P
Keeping them together like gauntlet lengends kinda but switch screens for
battle...
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Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:05 PM
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Subject: [project1dev] multiplayer
Hey so before we started makin this game, Eric was saying it would be really
neat if we could support multiplayer.
We've talked a little bit about it randomly (like the possibility of being able
to play mini games against other people online or other stuff...) but it's been
kind of hard figuring out how FULL ON multiplayer would work in our game. A
big part of the hurdle for me has been figuring out how to do the combat in
multiplayer (since it goes to a seperate screen... would the other player go
into that screen too or...?)
Anyhow, I personally can't figure out a good way but I wanted to open it up to
everyone else before we said "bah forget it"
Eric has had some ideas about this such as the players having to stay within a
screen length of eachother, and when one person goes into combat they both go
into combat and control their own characters.
What do you guys think... can multiplayer work for a game like ours?
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