[project1dev] Re: immersion in games
- From: Matthew Freeland <mattthefiend@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:19:59 -0700
Actually enemies do scale in fallout 3 but the way they went about it was
far more clever than oblivion.
In fallout 3 instead of having randomly generated creatures roaming the land
you have a gigantic pool of pre-defined events. As you get stronger you get
access to bigger events with bigger badguys, but you still run into lots of
small ones too.
Say for instance you're my character who is pretty much an unstoppable force
of nature with the Laser Gatling Cannon of win. Periodically while roaming
the wastes a big ass Enclave Assault team will pop up and try to eviscerate
me with their plasmas. Then after I've torn them a new one, a lone rad
scorpion roaming the wastes decides he wants a piece of me too.
If they set that as a plug-in to oblivion it would be WORLDS better, I agree
with you eric. As well get rid of the stupid equipment leveling system...
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:00 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> the enemies didn't scale but ya there was a lack of diversity in foes in
> fallout 3, really just like 5-6 different enemies types in the whole game :P
>
> i dont remember the inventory system being a huge problem but there was
> definitely wayyyyy too many worthless items, etc. and the system was pretty
> unwieldy to handle it
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:57 AM, CiD <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> I finished Fallout 3 unlike Oblivion, but didn't the enemies scale in that
>> game also? I don't remember there being anything to fight except super
>> mutants and robots and it was always a blasted wasteland environment. The
>> one thing that really bothered me about the game is that I spent more time
>> with the inventory system than fighting or adventuring.
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>> --- On Mon, 6/29/09, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> > From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: immersion in games
>> > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:48 AM
>> > i disagree a lil bit on fallout 3
>> > being oblivion with guns... on the surface they are very
>> > similar but I think there is a huge fundamental difference -
>> > because of oblivion's sliding scale on
>> > monsters/treasure, there was never a sense of accomplishment
>> > or getting stronger and everywhere you went there would be
>> > the same monsters and treasure, etc. so it sort of neutered
>> > the exploration factor... in my opinion... :P
>> >
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>> > oblivion should have been the greatest rpg of all time but
>> > one flaw in their design COMPLETELY ruined it for me
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:43 AM,
>> > CiD <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
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>> > Yes, I still have it installed on my computer. It's
>> > so cool to have a creature attack you which triggers my
>> > music selection and starts playing AC/DC! It was fun, but
>> > I never finished it. Fallout 3 was extremely similar.
>> > Oblivion with guns!
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>> > --- On Fri, 6/26/09, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
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>> > > From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> > > Subject: [project1dev] Re: immersion in games
>> >
>> > > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > > Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 1:47 PM
>> >
>> > > Hey Sid, did you play
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>> > > oblivion?
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>> > > What did you think about it?
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>> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM,
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>> > > CiD <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> > > That's a good goal to strive for when designing.
>> > I
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>> > > believe role playing games do this best when there
>> > are
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>> > > consequences to your choices and actions. Mass
>> > Effect
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>> > > really nailed this with subtlety by forcing you to
>> > deal with
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>> > > every word you said. For example: if you threaten
>> > someone
>> >
>> > > who is tough as nails and your skill in that style is
>> > not
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>> > > high enough you lose out on the opportunity for a
>> > dozen more
>> >
>> > > dialogue lines and experience points and may even fail
>> > the
>> >
>> > > quest (if it's a minor side quest).
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>> > > I have played Mirror's Edge. Although I never
>> > felt
>> >
>> > > any emotional attachment to the game on any level, it
>> > was a
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>> > > fun little first person jaunt through the rooftops of
>> > a
>> >
>> > > city. I never felt like being an achievement whore
>> > so I
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>> > > skip out on a lot of those achievements not built into
>> > the
>> >
>> > > game for in game rewards.
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>> > > --- On Thu, 6/25/09, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> > > wrote:
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>> > > > From: Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> > > > Subject: [project1dev] immersion in games
>> >
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>> > > > To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > > > Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 2:41 AM
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>> > > > This is a nice short post about how a
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>> > > > person felt while playing
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>> > > > Mirror's Edge. I've never played the
>> > game,
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>> > > but a few
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>> > > > things I've
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>> > > > heard about it sounded kind of interesting. I
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>> > > don't
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>> > > > plan on playing
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>> > > > it, but this particular experience is really
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>> > > something
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>> > > > important in
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>> > > > games, and it really reminded me of what
>> > we're
>> >
>> > > trying to do
>> >
>> > > > here.
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