[project1dev] Re: from my friend
- From: Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:54:57 -0700
That is one of the coolest things about working with others, having
someone say something that you didn't think of.. and hey that's what
is important with games too, when something happens that you didn't
even imagine, which gets your imagination going :)
I got that feeling when you talked about the strange man originally :P
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:38 AM, eric drewes<figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> funny you mentioned anti-hero, i was mulling that for a lil bit for the
> title of the game.
>
> and everything you said is totally exacccctly what i love about story
> telling and everything you discussed in your first paragraph... i made a
> pretty general statement about a couple of rogues that kill the chosen one
> and it inspired all kinds of neat ideas and original thoughts i hadn't even
> considered :) it'll be so fun to see how the stories/game develops.
>
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> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> It is much more fun to come across a conclusion or a thought on your
>> own, rather than having it told to you. That is for sure. Just
>> laying that framework and then letting things be open ended is
>> marvelous really, because it won't be the same thing to any two
>> people. But then you can have those two people love it for different
>> reasons, and they're still together in that aspect. :)
>>
>> To talk about the rogues, I like how they're the enemies of the gods,
>> that makes for a great conflict.. maybe we can make the boss of each
>> area a rogue, but you might not know that he is one until later.
>>
>> Also, they could be a collective behind the scenes that is behind
>> certain tragedies and bad events. I am into the idea of rogues and
>> thieves, and how they can influence things from the shadows.. you can
>> also work an anti-hero in there, someone who wants to be good, but
>> can't quite bring himself to for some reason (Vegeta complex)
>>
>> Just adding input, it's really cool to get a story flow going :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, eric drewes<figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > the rogues are also characters that will make cameo's throughout - a lot
>> > of
>> > their dialogue will hint that they've caused the death of gods before
>> > and
>> > alude to a MUCH bigger world outside the game world. something i loved
>> > about the original star wars trilogy is so much was just hinted at and
>> > let
>> > our imagination run wild with the possibilities, i thought the new
>> > trilogy
>> > stripped so much of that away that it left the star wars franchise a
>> > shell
>> > of what it was (in my mind at least) by explaining too much... i liked
>> > the
>> > explanations of the force, the history of the jedi, etc. when it was
>> > left to
>> > the imagination. one of my goals in the game is to leave plenty for the
>> > player to wonder about and come up with their own
>> > stories/explanations...
>> >
>> > quick tangent-
>> > also, alan and i had this conversation awhile back in reference to
>> > immersion
>> > in media... i think that books/textbased or simple graphic games/black
>> > and
>> > white movies/etc. are sometimes more vivid in our minds because there's
>> > less
>> > information given to us so we fill more of it in with our imaginations.
>> > because much of what we are perceiving and understanding is intimately
>> > influenced by our own minds, we get sucked in that much more.
>> >
>> > not to say i dont love art and design (because i do!!!) but i think
>> > combining beautiful art and story telling with enough hints that there's
>> > stuff outside the edge that we don't understand will really elevate the
>> > story.
>> >
>> > thats my dream at least :)
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:08 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> yeah for sure, throughout the story he will be a mysterious/shadowy
>> >> character with unknown motives, he will appear at random times and help
>> >> you
>> >> out (or maybe derail you...) - I think you get the gist of the
>> >> character :)
>> >>
>> >> i have posted this before with the outline of milestone 2 but the first
>> >> chapter will open up with a couple of rogues killing the "chosen one"
>> >> (basically the avatar of the gods, a great champion/hero that prophecy
>> >> claims is the only hope against a "great evil") - with the great evil
>> >> ultimately being the strange man/the player teamed up :)
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> That is pretty damn neat, I'm looking forward to seeing you write out
>> >>> more of this stuff. I like the strange man thing, it sounds like he
>> >>> is a guy that you don't really trust or understand at first, and at
>> >>> the end he'll be someone that's just looking to give everyone freedom.
>> >>> That is an awesome twist :)
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:17 AM, eric drewes<figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> > i am @ work but the basic plot is this:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > remember, because we're developers im just going to state the plot,
>> >>> > but
>> >>> > it
>> >>> > will be revealed slowly, etc. for the player so there is a lot of
>> >>> > mystery,
>> >>> > etc. for them to savor
>> >>> >
>> >>> > rough outline:
>> >>> > the puff ball is your soul, you are in the afterlife - the strange
>> >>> > man
>> >>> > is a
>> >>> > great and powerful sorcerer (more on him later). Basically once you
>> >>> > create
>> >>> > your character, the strange man will push you through a door that
>> >>> > will
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > the first "chapter" (the first half of the game is broken into
>> >>> > chapters
>> >>> > -
>> >>> > self-contained stories with clear arcs and resolutions) - basically
>> >>> > these
>> >>> > chapters are the character reliving their life. as the main story
>> >>> > progresses and develops through the individual chapters, it all
>> >>> > builds
>> >>> > to a
>> >>> > final showdown where you (and the strange man, who had been
>> >>> > developing
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > friendship through cameos, etc. throughout) have a final battle with
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > gods. In the end it will turn out that the motive of the strange
>> >>> > man
>> >>> > was to
>> >>> > give true freedom to the people of the universe - free will and
>> >>> > liberty
>> >>> > from
>> >>> > the meddling and will of the ancient gods.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > between each chapter the void map will increase in size with
>> >>> > mini-games,
>> >>> > etc. that you can play and a big area you can explore.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > that is the first half, once it is completed then it will be
>> >>> > revealed
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > void/carnival is the afterlife. the strange man as a thanks for
>> >>> > your
>> >>> > assistance in his quest to give freedom to everyone will give you
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > ability to transverse between the afterlife and the real world
>> >>> > through
>> >>> > strong nodes. the real world in the 2nd half will be all of the
>> >>> > areas
>> >>> > in
>> >>> > the chapters added together 15 years later, with a ton of new stuff
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > new
>> >>> > stories to go through and explore (think the second half of ff6).
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > carnival will also be a huge place where there's a ton of
>> >>> > mini-games,
>> >>> > an
>> >>> > arena, etc. etc. etc. as we've discussed, and there will be story
>> >>> > lines
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > pursue and explore there as well.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > throughout there will be a ton of characters, etc. that aren't
>> >>> > discussed in
>> >>> > this outline. and like i said before, each chapter will have a
>> >>> > story
>> >>> > in and
>> >>> > of itself (like episodes) that go together to create the bigger
>> >>> > story.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > as far as individual chapters go, i have 3-4 of them outlined in my
>> >>> > head and
>> >>> > ideas for more. these will start out low fantasy, with lots of
>> >>> > areas
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > adventure through, etc. but there will definitely be some
>> >>> > fantastic/crazy/surreal stuff in the chapters as well (like the
>> >>> > zombrero
>> >>> > chapter, etc.)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > :)
>> >>> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Chris Riccobono
>> >>> > <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Can you share them? I would love to see!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:51 AM, eric drewes<figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> > i have the main plot and many of the chapters outlined
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Chris Riccobono
>> >>> >> > <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Yeah, telling the story through actions is definitely the way to
>> >>> >> >> go.
>> >>> >> >> I really liked the way he worded that post so I shared it with
>> >>> >> >> you
>> >>> >> >> guys :) What do you have worked out for the story so far Eric?
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:18 AM, eric drewes<figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > yeah i think the key for an rpg and the design goal for me
>> >>> >> >> > personally
>> >>> >> >> > for
>> >>> >> >> > our game was to get the player immediately engaged and
>> >>> >> >> > interacting,
>> >>> >> >> > and
>> >>> >> >> > then
>> >>> >> >> > tell the story through events and dialogue as the game
>> >>> >> >> > progresses. I
>> >>> >> >> > think
>> >>> >> >> > ff3 did this very well (possibly the best) and i'm using that
>> >>> >> >> > as
>> >>> >> >> > the
>> >>> >> >> > model... but only AFTER the initial narshe intro (which i
>> >>> >> >> > think
>> >>> >> >> > is
>> >>> >> >> > sort
>> >>> >> >> > of
>> >>> >> >> > boring and i strongly dislike how much on rails it is)
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Matthew Morgan
>> >>> >> >> > <MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> That’s why its so good. Straight into the action. No
>> >>> >> >> >> nonsense.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> From: project1dev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> >> [mailto:project1dev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of eric
>> >>> >> >> >> drewes
>> >>> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:00 AM
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> >> Subject: [project1dev] Re: from my friend
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> left4dead you start off on a rooftop, no explanation
>> >>> >> >> >> whatsoever
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Matthew Morgan
>> >>> >> >> >> <MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> I sir, agree. I HATE CUT SCENES. Give me the action, if I
>> >>> >> >> >> wanted
>> >>> >> >> >> to
>> >>> >> >> >> watch
>> >>> >> >> >> a movie I woulda went to a damned theatre.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> From: project1dev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> >> [mailto:project1dev-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of eric
>> >>> >> >> >> drewes
>> >>> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 5:50 AM
>> >>> >> >> >> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> >> >> Subject: [project1dev] Re: from my friend
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> and personally, as far as story heavy intros go... i can't
>> >>> >> >> >> skip
>> >>> >> >> >> past
>> >>> >> >> >> cut
>> >>> >> >> >> scenes fast enough, and if they are unskippable i pretty much
>> >>> >> >> >> quit
>> >>> >> >> >> and
>> >>> >> >> >> never
>> >>> >> >> >> touch the game again :-P
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:46 AM, eric drewes
>> >>> >> >> >> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> for instance, fallout 3 starts off with your birth,
>> >>> >> >> >> childhood,
>> >>> >> >> >> and
>> >>> >> >> >> subsequent escape from the vault... our game (which we're
>> >>> >> >> >> building
>> >>> >> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >> prologue for now) starts off as a soul ending up in the
>> >>> >> >> >> afterlife,
>> >>> >> >> >> regaining
>> >>> >> >> >> its body and then putting back into the world... *shrug*
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:36 AM, <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> Zelda 1,2, metroid, super metroid and tons of other great
>> >>> >> >> >> games
>> >>> >> >> >> beg
>> >>> >> >> >> to
>> >>> >> >> >> differ, but our game does start like a story so I think your
>> >>> >> >> >> friend
>> >>> >> >> >> will be
>> >>> >> >> >> satisfied
>> >>> >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> >> >> >> From: Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:13:15
>> >>> >> >> >> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> >> >> Subject: [project1dev] from my friend
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> Long ago, in the ruins of a small village...
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> One day a young boy with bright blue eyes was digging in the
>> >>> >> >> >> dirt
>> >>> >> >> >> and
>> >>> >> >> >> found an ornate box with an antiquated piece of paper that
>> >>> >> >> >> read,
>> >>> >> >> >> "When
>> >>> >> >> >> it starts off like a story, you are more likely to be
>> >>> >> >> >> interested"
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
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