[project1dev] Re: combat musings - injuries, status, party list, matchups and tagteaming

  • From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:28:38 -0700

BTW what do you think about us changing our battle view from the dragon
quest 5 view to the final fantasy view?

I kinda miss being able to see the characters, and see the weapons / attacks
and skills the players use.

I think it makes the combat more epic and fun. Like think of fighting vargas
or ultros where you see his tentacles slap your players, can you remember a
fight like that at all in DQ5? i cant...most of the fights are unmemoriable,
except for the ones where like 10 slimes form into the slime king hehe


On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I think switching out your characters could work, that kinda sounds cool
> and i can picture it in my head.
>
> When you would switch, would you be able to switch any turn of combat, only
> the first, or what?  Also is there a penalty to switching or is it for
> free?  I'm just curious cause if one guy was dying you could swap him out
> with another and have a fresh guy, is that ok?
>
> If so we could do soemthing like marvel vs capcom i think it was, where the
> team mates that are in the back row and not fighting slowly heal their
> wounds (in this case they heal a small amount as round time progresses) what
> you think?  If that is too overpowered, it could be something like they can
> only heal maximum up to the life they had before they got struck in the
> current battle.
>
> Being held by one character and attacked by another makes sense.  Maybe its
> a skill, and what happens is when you use that skill, the character that
> used it has to keep using it each turn to hold onto the monster and that
> monster basically struggles each turn where it has some chance to escape but
> that uses up it's turn.  Just like real life if you oare outnumbered,
> grabbing hold of someone or wrestling around with them wouldnt be a good
> idea cause his buddies would kick your butt, but if there is like 1 monster
> left it could be a cool skill.  Like havin a guy like sabin be able to grab
> the last enemy and hold him while your other guys hit him would be a pretty
> useful skill (:
>
> About the player never dying, on one hand i could see that working but on
> the other, couldnt you just scrape through anyhwere by walking through a
> dungeon and getting knocked out at each fight?  How do you balance that out?
>
> Some cool ideas!
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:36 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> ok here is how i am thinking parties will work in combat...
>>
>> there will be 3 active party members in any fight and 4 on the sidelines
>> that can be "tagged in" (swapped) as a combat option for any of the active
>> players INCLUDING the hero. this will allow you to sub out injured
>> characters for fresh healthy ones, or if you want two people that can do a
>> special attack, you can have them sub in to pull of a coup de grace, or
>> maybe there is a MATCHUP you want to exploit.
>>
>> Matchups? Huh?
>>
>> Matchups are basically already existing in games but without anything to
>> quantify them.  basically, if you're in battle against a big slow ogre or
>> something, you can adjust your party to better match up w/ the enemy
>> (enemies) you're fighting.  Maybe you want a big dude that can go
>> mano-y-mano with the ogre, or a small quick dude who can exploit the ogre's
>> plodding attack and slow defense.  Maybe you're up against a flying creature
>> and arrows will be the best way to bring them down when standard attacks
>> seem ineffectual.   Picking the best match up for what you're going against
>> can mean the difference of life and death.
>>
>> Injuries/status - we don't just want fights to be wars of attrition where
>> you attack attack attack and try to slowly drain your foes life (and vice
>> versa) - in real life, this would be the equivelent of standing in front of
>> someone and punching them back and forth until someone died.  Silly!  i
>> think most (if not all) of us are experienced martial artists and we know
>> fights don't work like that, there are holds, throws, etc that can put your
>> opponent in compromising situations that give you the advantage.  Add
>> weapons to this and we have a fun system that is more dynamic than the
>> typical rpg combat system.  Examples of this would be sweeps/tackles/throws
>> that leave the enemy prone and thus unable to defend themselves as well, or
>> entangled via nets, maybe even HELD by one character while the others beat
>> it up (could we do this)?  or maybe getting maimed or hamstrung knocks you
>> over, getting stunned (like street fighter when you do a certain combination
>> the enemy can't move and has birds flying above their head) is another
>> example.
>>
>> This style of combat would add a lot of depth and strategy and make combat
>> feel more "alive" and dangerous and fun.  Also it adds a lot of potential
>> skills and techniques to our future list
>>
>> Injuries - with our injury and death system, swapping to keep your team
>> healthy is important.  This is kind of a big thing but I am sort of leaning
>> towards thinking maybe MAYBE the hero can't die.  everyone else can, but if
>> the hero is "knocked out" in battle, he's back after the fight. he can then
>> go forward to try to find the next respawn node or maybe theres a "Recall"
>> option where you can revert to the start of the dungeon with all your party
>> members intact.  i think this will eliminate a lot of frustration as well as
>> prevent people from keeping the hero on the sidelines worried he will die.
>>
>> just as a quick guess... i am thinking you get 7 active party members (3
>> active, 4 tagteamable) and then an additional 7 back at your "home base"
>> that you can swap out ff style whenever you're there for a total of 14 in
>> your party.  We will (ideally) have 40-50 recruitable characters so this
>> forces you to make some decisions on who you want to pick but also gives you
>> a large stable of characters so you don't feel like "shit, i have to give up
>> one of my favs".
>>
>>
>> Just some thoughts... let me know what you think!
>>
>>
>>
>

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