[project1dev] Re: combat musings - injuries, status, party list, matchups and tagteaming

  • From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:25:31 -0700

I think switching out your characters could work, that kinda sounds cool and
i can picture it in my head.

When you would switch, would you be able to switch any turn of combat, only
the first, or what?  Also is there a penalty to switching or is it for
free?  I'm just curious cause if one guy was dying you could swap him out
with another and have a fresh guy, is that ok?

If so we could do soemthing like marvel vs capcom i think it was, where the
team mates that are in the back row and not fighting slowly heal their
wounds (in this case they heal a small amount as round time progresses) what
you think?  If that is too overpowered, it could be something like they can
only heal maximum up to the life they had before they got struck in the
current battle.

Being held by one character and attacked by another makes sense.  Maybe its
a skill, and what happens is when you use that skill, the character that
used it has to keep using it each turn to hold onto the monster and that
monster basically struggles each turn where it has some chance to escape but
that uses up it's turn.  Just like real life if you oare outnumbered,
grabbing hold of someone or wrestling around with them wouldnt be a good
idea cause his buddies would kick your butt, but if there is like 1 monster
left it could be a cool skill.  Like havin a guy like sabin be able to grab
the last enemy and hold him while your other guys hit him would be a pretty
useful skill (:

About the player never dying, on one hand i could see that working but on
the other, couldnt you just scrape through anyhwere by walking through a
dungeon and getting knocked out at each fight?  How do you balance that out?

Some cool ideas!

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:36 AM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> ok here is how i am thinking parties will work in combat...
> there will be 3 active party members in any fight and 4 on the sidelines
> that can be "tagged in" (swapped) as a combat option for any of the active
> players INCLUDING the hero. this will allow you to sub out injured
> characters for fresh healthy ones, or if you want two people that can do a
> special attack, you can have them sub in to pull of a coup de grace, or
> maybe there is a MATCHUP you want to exploit.
> Matchups? Huh?
> Matchups are basically already existing in games but without anything to
> quantify them.  basically, if you're in battle against a big slow ogre or
> something, you can adjust your party to better match up w/ the enemy
> (enemies) you're fighting.  Maybe you want a big dude that can go
> mano-y-mano with the ogre, or a small quick dude who can exploit the ogre's
> plodding attack and slow defense.  Maybe you're up against a flying creature
> and arrows will be the best way to bring them down when standard attacks
> seem ineffectual.   Picking the best match up for what you're going against
> can mean the difference of life and death.
> Injuries/status - we don't just want fights to be wars of attrition where
> you attack attack attack and try to slowly drain your foes life (and vice
> versa) - in real life, this would be the equivelent of standing in front of
> someone and punching them back and forth until someone died.  Silly!  i
> think most (if not all) of us are experienced martial artists and we know
> fights don't work like that, there are holds, throws, etc that can put your
> opponent in compromising situations that give you the advantage.  Add
> weapons to this and we have a fun system that is more dynamic than the
> typical rpg combat system.  Examples of this would be sweeps/tackles/throws
> that leave the enemy prone and thus unable to defend themselves as well, or
> entangled via nets, maybe even HELD by one character while the others beat
> it up (could we do this)?  or maybe getting maimed or hamstrung knocks you
> over, getting stunned (like street fighter when you do a certain combination
> the enemy can't move and has birds flying above their head) is another
> example.
> This style of combat would add a lot of depth and strategy and make combat
> feel more "alive" and dangerous and fun.  Also it adds a lot of potential
> skills and techniques to our future list
> Injuries - with our injury and death system, swapping to keep your team
> healthy is important.  This is kind of a big thing but I am sort of leaning
> towards thinking maybe MAYBE the hero can't die.  everyone else can, but if
> the hero is "knocked out" in battle, he's back after the fight. he can then
> go forward to try to find the next respawn node or maybe theres a "Recall"
> option where you can revert to the start of the dungeon with all your party
> members intact.  i think this will eliminate a lot of frustration as well as
> prevent people from keeping the hero on the sidelines worried he will die.
> just as a quick guess... i am thinking you get 7 active party members (3
> active, 4 tagteamable) and then an additional 7 back at your "home base"
> that you can swap out ff style whenever you're there for a total of 14 in
> your party.  We will (ideally) have 40-50 recruitable characters so this
> forces you to make some decisions on who you want to pick but also gives you
> a large stable of characters so you don't feel like "shit, i have to give up
> one of my favs".
> Just some thoughts... let me know what you think!

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