[project1dev] Re: Skill Design Input
- From: Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:25:51 -0400
Each skill will have their own unique properties as well as shared
properties, penetration is not 'too much' of a consideration
unless there is going to be horde type attacks in the 1st person view,
overhead kind of eliminates this variable.
Will there be differences between elemental combat skills? Oh hell yea
there will be. I will be working on creating a rough skill list over the
next week and releasing new information daily.
If anyone has any problem viewing the file I uploaded please let me know and
I can change the file type to something compatible with what programs you
have. (:
And as always, if anybody has any other ideas, suggestions, concerns, please
voice them! Feedback is the absolute most critical thing during the design
and concept phases!
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I like the where you are going with this system. I like how the skills you
> use will get better with time. I have always enjoyed that concept in games.
> It makes me want to use my skills more to see how powerful they will become.
>
> Are there going to be specific differences between the elemental combat
> skills? For example fireball may have a blast radius while lightning
> penetrates through targets. Or is that going to be more of an insight thing?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Yea, the basic idea of it would be that the basic skills you start out
>> with are still very useful and important at the later stages of the game so
>> its not like, "oh I start with this but why level it when I won't use it
>> later"
>>
>> Without getting into the art side of it too much, yes I had thoughts of
>> different graphics such as larger fireballs, etc, as the skill improved, at
>> least as far as the basic "bolt spells" go.
>>
>> Glad you like the idea, any other input or ideas, and feedback is surely
>> welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> you know... the "using a skill to make it better" idea is really
>>> awesome...
>>>
>>> i really like the direction you are going with all this (:
>>>
>>> what would be really neat too would be if we did something such as at
>>> every 10 levels of a skill (could be different for different skills), the
>>> graphics of a skill could change too.
>>>
>>> It's kind of the idea of fire 1, fire 2, fire 3 from final fantasy but
>>> itd be the same spell you just get better at it and the visual effects look
>>> more awesome.
>>>
>>> we could do fun stuff too like make a really wimpy spell that if you
>>> level it up does a ton of damage to the hardest enemies in the game and that
>>> kinda thing.
>>>
>>> ::high five::
>>>
>>> really nice Nick, this is great stuff
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Nick, nice job!
>>>>
>>>> Im a fan of making it simple too usually and that simple rules can make
>>>> for more complex gameplay (ironically!) but i think if done right, these
>>>> different options could make a lot of replay in the game with people
>>>> wanting
>>>> to try diff methods and play styles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Player would gain 3 points per level to use on the tree, this model
>>>> assumes 17 playable areas (9 overworld, 8 first person) and a potential of
>>>> 4
>>>> total level ups per area, so an assumed max level of 68"
>>>>
>>>> Cool deal. If we end up making more levels or less, we should be able
>>>> to scale the points per level or # of level ups per level to stretch or
>>>> squish this i think. This is a good starting metric for us to work towards
>>>> but yeah, just pointing out we can adjust if necesary w/o too much impact
>>>> on
>>>> things (hopefully!)
>>>>
>>>> I like your idea of making it so the more you use a skill the better you
>>>> get at it (and similar skills). Do you think we'd show someone's
>>>> profficiency in a specific skill to them or would it happen behind the
>>>> scenes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I've been mulling over ideas for skillsets, how they will work,
>>>>> various variables, etc, and I've talked to Eric a little about balance and
>>>>> simplicity vs complicating things just to be complicated, but I feel
>>>>> complication adds depth. In light of that, I wanted some input, because I
>>>>> believe that complication adds tremendous depth and replay value if its
>>>>> simple to the user.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have in mind a couple dozen skills, along with 8 trainable skill
>>>>> trees, with two separate types of level ups for all Elemental trees.
>>>>> Player
>>>>> would gain 3 points per level to use on the tree, this model assumes 17
>>>>> playable areas (9 overworld, 8 first person) and a potential of 4 total
>>>>> level ups per area, so an assumed max level of 68 (game could be playable
>>>>> at
>>>>> final stages at much earlier levels for players who decide not to go over
>>>>> an
>>>>> area several times to gain exp)
>>>>> Skill Trees: [Elemental] Fire, Water, Earth, Wind, Lightning [Other]
>>>>> Population, Town, Dragon
>>>>>
>>>>> Insight leveling and combat leveling are combined to figure the total
>>>>> overall power, however mastering one skill may not be the most beneficial
>>>>> to
>>>>> the player, allowing for these two types provide the ability to specialize
>>>>> as well as keep the player balanced in other areas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Insight Leveling]
>>>>> Skill points sent into the trees via leveling will increase overall
>>>>> abilities, and unlock more sub-skill sets, including the ability to
>>>>> combine
>>>>> skills for devastatingly powerful attacks. There will be enough of these
>>>>> to
>>>>> insure that spreading out points will not necessarily yield any advantage
>>>>> or
>>>>> disadvantage over dumping all points into a specific skill.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Combat Leveling]
>>>>> Combat leveling is gained via using Elemental skills. Combat leveling
>>>>> increases all attributes of all skills under its relative element,
>>>>> example:
>>>>> Max level for any element or skill is hard capped at 50
>>>>>
>>>>> Fireball - Skill Name
>>>>> Fire - Skill Element
>>>>> ManaCost -
>>>>> CoolDown - Time in seconds between being able to use the skill
>>>>> Speed - Speed the physical attack moves from player to target
>>>>> BaseDamage - Damage
>>>>> DamageRadius -
>>>>> SplashDamage - Damage outside the normal damage radius
>>>>> SetOnFire - %Chance to set target on fire causing damage over time
>>>>> OnFire_Damage - Damage per second target takes
>>>>> OnFire_Duration - Time in seconds target will remain on fire
>>>>> FireResistance - %Resistance player gains from fire based damage
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: Capture.PNG]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If more information is necessary on examples and how this type of
>>>>> leveling system will work, please feel free to ask, I have more notes, and
>>>>> am currently working on more material, but I don't want to get too
>>>>> involved
>>>>> with this method unless approved.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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