[project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?

  • From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:09:02 -0700

I dont know but youd probly only get in trouble if it was a high profile
thing (:

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> DMCA and the patriot act are a bunch of crap. I can't believe that they are
> actually laws
>
> cracking encryption sounds like fun. Shame its illegal now. What kind of
> penalties are we talking?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> yeah my first thought was, the enemy of our enemy is our friend :P  FOR
>> NOW
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> bringing it back to the origional topic, MS has cause enough to hate the
>>> govt just like some of us do with all the trust busting.
>>>
>>> I guess it makes sense they would be "on our side" in some areas.
>>>
>>> Of course, it's like getting attacked by one tiger and another tiger
>>> jumping in to fight the first one.
>>>
>>> you probably don't want to stick aruond to say thank you for the 2nd
>>> tiger, just be glad he showed up and get out of there hahah (IMO)
>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:47 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> like cid said, the more laws you have, the more criminals you have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and one last part to this :P
>>>>>
>>>>> The only person so far (to my knowledge) to have been charged with
>>>>> violating the DMCA was a guy named Kevin Mitnick who cracked the ebooks
>>>>> encryption algorithm and was distributing software to people to read
>>>>> encrypted ebooks.
>>>>>
>>>>> another interesting thing this law does is make it so breaking
>>>>> encryption of any kind or doing reverse engineering of any kind is 
>>>>> illegal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if i do poor encryption on data (ie pig latin, or write the words
>>>>> in reverse), and you break it by ACCIDENT, thats against the law :P
>>>>>
>>>>> In the encryption community, people used to put out encryption
>>>>> algorithms and other people would break it and post "hey i broke your 
>>>>> stuff
>>>>> and here's how", so bad encryption would get killed off and good 
>>>>> encryption,
>>>>> that couldnt be broken even if you had the source code, would live on til
>>>>> someone found out how to break it (if they ever did... RC5 has thwarted
>>>>> distributed computing machines for decades even with a cash reward of 1
>>>>> million dollars to whoever can break a specific messages they encoded with
>>>>> it those decades ago).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow, now in the encryption world, it's illegal to crack encryption
>>>>> so this practice stopped which means the process of nautral selection 
>>>>> within
>>>>> encryption has stopped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now our data is no where near as safe, and only the criminals have
>>>>> guns.  Nice going America/DMCA/WTO!  Greed over all else!
>>>>>
>>>>> ok, all done w/ my rant...
>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> oh, meant to say they are allowed to do that without a warrant or just
>>>>>> cause or any of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also, part of the DMCA (digital multimedia copyright act) calls for
>>>>>> search and seizure without a warrant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The DMCA is the USA's implementation of a treaty that the WTO is
>>>>>> behind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read this letter once where a US govt employee of some stature (like
>>>>>> a diplomat or a state department person) was writing to some scandanavian
>>>>>> country who refused to enact it into law due to the fact that it went
>>>>>> against their country's constitution - which was based on ours!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> plenty of crappy, injustice creating lamers out there ):
>>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Alan Wolfe 
>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hrms...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the law is that the govt can supboena anyone for any information
>>>>>>> for any reason and you aren't allowed to say no, and in fact you aren't 
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> allowed to talk about it happening.  Not even in a court of law (i 
>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>> what would happen if you were asked under oath?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there is no legal recourse, until they screwed up and leaked an
>>>>>>> admission that they were doin it, kinda crazy:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1228088813.shtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Nick Klotz 
>>>>>>> <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am the neon tiger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you would.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I like cops.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM, eric drewes 
>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  cops pulled me over 3x in the weeks after I was released just to
>>>>>>>>>>> "check in on me", rotten mother fuckers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Alan Wolfe <
>>>>>>>>>>> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I once had a friend who i'll call "Eric"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Me and him were chillin somewhere at night mindin our own
>>>>>>>>>>>> business and some cops came and started talkin to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Long story short, he was peppersprayed, beaten (it took a cop
>>>>>>>>>>>> around his middle and one on each arm to take him down), stomped a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>>>>>> times neo nazi style when he was on the ground, and then arrested 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> resisting arrest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He was in jail for 2 days i think and when they took him to
>>>>>>>>>>>> court, they dropped the charges before the trial since they didn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> have anything to try him with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> good times :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all joking aside though, im right there with you Cid, but i'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> add more than just lawyers to the list of people dragged out of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced stuffy offices :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you dont like our justice system?  man, cops have never been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything but nice and helpful for me, i dont understand where 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the anti-gov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentiments come from ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, CiD <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Smart man.  Something interesting is military law is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different than civilian law under the same country umbrella of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power.  I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not like our justice system and think lawyers should be dragged 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced, stuffy offices and stripped down to their skivvies 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and slapped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with wet towels until they are severely red bodied and sent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mommas for instructions on how to properly share their milk 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chocolate with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the class!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On *Wed, 3/31/10, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>*wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They must have some angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like maybe they have something to hide that they dont want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the govt to see or something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont trust MSs intentions for 1 second :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:04 AM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/49179-google-and-microsoft-call-for-greater-limits-on-government-snooping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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