[project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?

  • From: Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:46:17 -0700

DMCA and the patriot act are a bunch of crap. I can't believe that they are
actually laws

cracking encryption sounds like fun. Shame its illegal now. What kind of
penalties are we talking?

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> yeah my first thought was, the enemy of our enemy is our friend :P  FOR NOW
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> bringing it back to the origional topic, MS has cause enough to hate the
>> govt just like some of us do with all the trust busting.
>>
>> I guess it makes sense they would be "on our side" in some areas.
>>
>> Of course, it's like getting attacked by one tiger and another tiger
>> jumping in to fight the first one.
>>
>> you probably don't want to stick aruond to say thank you for the 2nd
>> tiger, just be glad he showed up and get out of there hahah (IMO)
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:47 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> like cid said, the more laws you have, the more criminals you have.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> and one last part to this :P
>>>>
>>>> The only person so far (to my knowledge) to have been charged with
>>>> violating the DMCA was a guy named Kevin Mitnick who cracked the ebooks
>>>> encryption algorithm and was distributing software to people to read
>>>> encrypted ebooks.
>>>>
>>>> another interesting thing this law does is make it so breaking
>>>> encryption of any kind or doing reverse engineering of any kind is illegal.
>>>>
>>>> Even if i do poor encryption on data (ie pig latin, or write the words
>>>> in reverse), and you break it by ACCIDENT, thats against the law :P
>>>>
>>>> In the encryption community, people used to put out encryption
>>>> algorithms and other people would break it and post "hey i broke your stuff
>>>> and here's how", so bad encryption would get killed off and good 
>>>> encryption,
>>>> that couldnt be broken even if you had the source code, would live on til
>>>> someone found out how to break it (if they ever did... RC5 has thwarted
>>>> distributed computing machines for decades even with a cash reward of 1
>>>> million dollars to whoever can break a specific messages they encoded with
>>>> it those decades ago).
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, now in the encryption world, it's illegal to crack encryption so
>>>> this practice stopped which means the process of nautral selection within
>>>> encryption has stopped.
>>>>
>>>> Now our data is no where near as safe, and only the criminals have
>>>> guns.  Nice going America/DMCA/WTO!  Greed over all else!
>>>>
>>>> ok, all done w/ my rant...
>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> oh, meant to say they are allowed to do that without a warrant or just
>>>>> cause or any of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> also, part of the DMCA (digital multimedia copyright act) calls for
>>>>> search and seizure without a warrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> The DMCA is the USA's implementation of a treaty that the WTO is
>>>>> behind.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read this letter once where a US govt employee of some stature (like
>>>>> a diplomat or a state department person) was writing to some scandanavian
>>>>> country who refused to enact it into law due to the fact that it went
>>>>> against their country's constitution - which was based on ours!
>>>>>
>>>>> plenty of crappy, injustice creating lamers out there ):
>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hrms...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  the law is that the govt can supboena anyone for any information for
>>>>>> any reason and you aren't allowed to say no, and in fact you aren't even
>>>>>> allowed to talk about it happening.  Not even in a court of law (i wonder
>>>>>> what would happen if you were asked under oath?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So there is no legal recourse, until they screwed up and leaked an
>>>>>> admission that they were doin it, kinda crazy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1228088813.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Nick Klotz 
>>>>>> <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am the neon tiger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you would.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Nick Klotz 
>>>>>>>> <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like cops.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  cops pulled me over 3x in the weeks after I was released just to
>>>>>>>>>> "check in on me", rotten mother fuckers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I once had a friend who i'll call "Eric"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Me and him were chillin somewhere at night mindin our own
>>>>>>>>>>> business and some cops came and started talkin to us.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Long story short, he was peppersprayed, beaten (it took a cop
>>>>>>>>>>> around his middle and one on each arm to take him down), stomped a 
>>>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>>>>> times neo nazi style when he was on the ground, and then arrested 
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> resisting arrest.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He was in jail for 2 days i think and when they took him to
>>>>>>>>>>> court, they dropped the charges before the trial since they didn't 
>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>> have anything to try him with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> good times :P
>>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> all joking aside though, im right there with you Cid, but i'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> add more than just lawyers to the list of people dragged out of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced stuffy offices :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you dont like our justice system?  man, cops have never been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything but nice and helpful for me, i dont understand where the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-gov
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentiments come from ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, CiD <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Smart man.  Something interesting is military law is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different than civilian law under the same country umbrella of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power.  I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not like our justice system and think lawyers should be dragged 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced, stuffy offices and stripped down to their skivvies 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and slapped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with wet towels until they are severely red bodied and sent home 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mommas for instructions on how to properly share their milk 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chocolate with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the class!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On *Wed, 3/31/10, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>*wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They must have some angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like maybe they have something to hide that they dont want the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> govt to see or something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont trust MSs intentions for 1 second :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:04 AM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/49179-google-and-microsoft-call-for-greater-limits-on-government-snooping
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