[project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?

  • From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:55:24 -0400

yeah my first thought was, the enemy of our enemy is our friend :P  FOR NOW

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> bringing it back to the origional topic, MS has cause enough to hate the
> govt just like some of us do with all the trust busting.
>
> I guess it makes sense they would be "on our side" in some areas.
>
> Of course, it's like getting attacked by one tiger and another tiger
> jumping in to fight the first one.
>
> you probably don't want to stick aruond to say thank you for the 2nd tiger,
> just be glad he showed up and get out of there hahah (IMO)
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:47 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> like cid said, the more laws you have, the more criminals you have.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> and one last part to this :P
>>>
>>> The only person so far (to my knowledge) to have been charged with
>>> violating the DMCA was a guy named Kevin Mitnick who cracked the ebooks
>>> encryption algorithm and was distributing software to people to read
>>> encrypted ebooks.
>>>
>>> another interesting thing this law does is make it so breaking encryption
>>> of any kind or doing reverse engineering of any kind is illegal.
>>>
>>> Even if i do poor encryption on data (ie pig latin, or write the words in
>>> reverse), and you break it by ACCIDENT, thats against the law :P
>>>
>>> In the encryption community, people used to put out encryption algorithms
>>> and other people would break it and post "hey i broke your stuff and here's
>>> how", so bad encryption would get killed off and good encryption, that
>>> couldnt be broken even if you had the source code, would live on til someone
>>> found out how to break it (if they ever did... RC5 has thwarted distributed
>>> computing machines for decades even with a cash reward of 1 million dollars
>>> to whoever can break a specific messages they encoded with it those decades
>>> ago).
>>>
>>> Anyhow, now in the encryption world, it's illegal to crack encryption so
>>> this practice stopped which means the process of nautral selection within
>>> encryption has stopped.
>>>
>>> Now our data is no where near as safe, and only the criminals have guns.
>>> Nice going America/DMCA/WTO!  Greed over all else!
>>>
>>> ok, all done w/ my rant...
>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> oh, meant to say they are allowed to do that without a warrant or just
>>>> cause or any of that.
>>>>
>>>> also, part of the DMCA (digital multimedia copyright act) calls for
>>>> search and seizure without a warrant.
>>>>
>>>> The DMCA is the USA's implementation of a treaty that the WTO is behind.
>>>>
>>>> I read this letter once where a US govt employee of some stature (like a
>>>> diplomat or a state department person) was writing to some scandanavian
>>>> country who refused to enact it into law due to the fact that it went
>>>> against their country's constitution - which was based on ours!
>>>>
>>>> plenty of crappy, injustice creating lamers out there ):
>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hrms...
>>>>>
>>>>>  the law is that the govt can supboena anyone for any information for
>>>>> any reason and you aren't allowed to say no, and in fact you aren't even
>>>>> allowed to talk about it happening.  Not even in a court of law (i wonder
>>>>> what would happen if you were asked under oath?)
>>>>>
>>>>> So there is no legal recourse, until they screwed up and leaked an
>>>>> admission that they were doin it, kinda crazy:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1228088813.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am the neon tiger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you would.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Nick Klotz 
>>>>>>> <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like cops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  cops pulled me over 3x in the weeks after I was released just to
>>>>>>>>> "check in on me", rotten mother fuckers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Alan Wolfe 
>>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I once had a friend who i'll call "Eric"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Me and him were chillin somewhere at night mindin our own business
>>>>>>>>>> and some cops came and started talkin to us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Long story short, he was peppersprayed, beaten (it took a cop
>>>>>>>>>> around his middle and one on each arm to take him down), stomped a 
>>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>>>> times neo nazi style when he was on the ground, and then arrested for
>>>>>>>>>> resisting arrest.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He was in jail for 2 days i think and when they took him to court,
>>>>>>>>>> they dropped the charges before the trial since they didn't actually 
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> anything to try him with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> good times :P
>>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> all joking aside though, im right there with you Cid, but i'd add
>>>>>>>>>>> more than just lawyers to the list of people dragged out of their 
>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced
>>>>>>>>>>> stuffy offices :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, eric drewes 
>>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you dont like our justice system?  man, cops have never been
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything but nice and helpful for me, i dont understand where the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-gov
>>>>>>>>>>>> sentiments come from ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, CiD <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Smart man.  Something interesting is military law is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different than civilian law under the same country umbrella of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power.  I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not like our justice system and think lawyers should be dragged 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced, stuffy offices and stripped down to their skivvies 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and slapped
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with wet towels until they are severely red bodied and sent home 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mommas for instructions on how to properly share their milk 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chocolate with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the class!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On *Wed, 3/31/10, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>*wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They must have some angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like maybe they have something to hide that they dont want the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> govt to see or something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont trust MSs intentions for 1 second :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:04 AM, eric drewes <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/49179-google-and-microsoft-call-for-greater-limits-on-government-snooping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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