[project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?

  • From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:52:18 -0700

bringing it back to the origional topic, MS has cause enough to hate the
govt just like some of us do with all the trust busting.

I guess it makes sense they would be "on our side" in some areas.

Of course, it's like getting attacked by one tiger and another tiger jumping
in to fight the first one.

you probably don't want to stick aruond to say thank you for the 2nd tiger,
just be glad he showed up and get out of there hahah (IMO)
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:47 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> like cid said, the more laws you have, the more criminals you have.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> and one last part to this :P
>>
>> The only person so far (to my knowledge) to have been charged with
>> violating the DMCA was a guy named Kevin Mitnick who cracked the ebooks
>> encryption algorithm and was distributing software to people to read
>> encrypted ebooks.
>>
>> another interesting thing this law does is make it so breaking encryption
>> of any kind or doing reverse engineering of any kind is illegal.
>>
>> Even if i do poor encryption on data (ie pig latin, or write the words in
>> reverse), and you break it by ACCIDENT, thats against the law :P
>>
>> In the encryption community, people used to put out encryption algorithms
>> and other people would break it and post "hey i broke your stuff and here's
>> how", so bad encryption would get killed off and good encryption, that
>> couldnt be broken even if you had the source code, would live on til someone
>> found out how to break it (if they ever did... RC5 has thwarted distributed
>> computing machines for decades even with a cash reward of 1 million dollars
>> to whoever can break a specific messages they encoded with it those decades
>> ago).
>>
>> Anyhow, now in the encryption world, it's illegal to crack encryption so
>> this practice stopped which means the process of nautral selection within
>> encryption has stopped.
>>
>> Now our data is no where near as safe, and only the criminals have guns.
>> Nice going America/DMCA/WTO!  Greed over all else!
>>
>> ok, all done w/ my rant...
>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> oh, meant to say they are allowed to do that without a warrant or just
>>> cause or any of that.
>>>
>>> also, part of the DMCA (digital multimedia copyright act) calls for
>>> search and seizure without a warrant.
>>>
>>> The DMCA is the USA's implementation of a treaty that the WTO is behind.
>>>
>>> I read this letter once where a US govt employee of some stature (like a
>>> diplomat or a state department person) was writing to some scandanavian
>>> country who refused to enact it into law due to the fact that it went
>>> against their country's constitution - which was based on ours!
>>>
>>> plenty of crappy, injustice creating lamers out there ):
>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> hrms...
>>>>
>>>>  the law is that the govt can supboena anyone for any information for
>>>> any reason and you aren't allowed to say no, and in fact you aren't even
>>>> allowed to talk about it happening.  Not even in a court of law (i wonder
>>>> what would happen if you were asked under oath?)
>>>>
>>>> So there is no legal recourse, until they screwed up and leaked an
>>>> admission that they were doin it, kinda crazy:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1228088813.shtml
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am the neon tiger.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like cops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  cops pulled me over 3x in the weeks after I was released just to
>>>>>>>> "check in on me", rotten mother fuckers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Alan Wolfe 
>>>>>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I once had a friend who i'll call "Eric"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Me and him were chillin somewhere at night mindin our own business
>>>>>>>>> and some cops came and started talkin to us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Long story short, he was peppersprayed, beaten (it took a cop
>>>>>>>>> around his middle and one on each arm to take him down), stomped a 
>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>>>> times neo nazi style when he was on the ground, and then arrested for
>>>>>>>>> resisting arrest.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He was in jail for 2 days i think and when they took him to court,
>>>>>>>>> they dropped the charges before the trial since they didn't actually 
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> anything to try him with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> good times :P
>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> all joking aside though, im right there with you Cid, but i'd add
>>>>>>>>>> more than just lawyers to the list of people dragged out of their 
>>>>>>>>>> overpriced
>>>>>>>>>> stuffy offices :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, eric drewes 
>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you dont like our justice system?  man, cops have never been
>>>>>>>>>>> anything but nice and helpful for me, i dont understand where the 
>>>>>>>>>>> anti-gov
>>>>>>>>>>> sentiments come from ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, CiD 
>>>>>>>>>>> <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Smart man.  Something interesting is military law is
>>>>>>>>>>>> different than civilian law under the same country umbrella of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> power.  I do
>>>>>>>>>>>> not like our justice system and think lawyers should be dragged 
>>>>>>>>>>>> out of their
>>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced, stuffy offices and stripped down to their skivvies and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> slapped
>>>>>>>>>>>> with wet towels until they are severely red bodied and sent home 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to their
>>>>>>>>>>>> mommas for instructions on how to properly share their milk 
>>>>>>>>>>>> chocolate with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the class!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On *Wed, 3/31/10, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They must have some angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like maybe they have something to hide that they dont want the
>>>>>>>>>>>> govt to see or something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont trust MSs intentions for 1 second :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:04 AM, eric drewes 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/49179-google-and-microsoft-call-for-greater-limits-on-government-snooping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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