[project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?

  • From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:47:23 -0400

like cid said, the more laws you have, the more criminals you have.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> and one last part to this :P
>
> The only person so far (to my knowledge) to have been charged with
> violating the DMCA was a guy named Kevin Mitnick who cracked the ebooks
> encryption algorithm and was distributing software to people to read
> encrypted ebooks.
>
> another interesting thing this law does is make it so breaking encryption
> of any kind or doing reverse engineering of any kind is illegal.
>
> Even if i do poor encryption on data (ie pig latin, or write the words in
> reverse), and you break it by ACCIDENT, thats against the law :P
>
> In the encryption community, people used to put out encryption algorithms
> and other people would break it and post "hey i broke your stuff and here's
> how", so bad encryption would get killed off and good encryption, that
> couldnt be broken even if you had the source code, would live on til someone
> found out how to break it (if they ever did... RC5 has thwarted distributed
> computing machines for decades even with a cash reward of 1 million dollars
> to whoever can break a specific messages they encoded with it those decades
> ago).
>
> Anyhow, now in the encryption world, it's illegal to crack encryption so
> this practice stopped which means the process of nautral selection within
> encryption has stopped.
>
> Now our data is no where near as safe, and only the criminals have guns.
> Nice going America/DMCA/WTO!  Greed over all else!
>
> ok, all done w/ my rant...
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> oh, meant to say they are allowed to do that without a warrant or just
>> cause or any of that.
>>
>> also, part of the DMCA (digital multimedia copyright act) calls for search
>> and seizure without a warrant.
>>
>> The DMCA is the USA's implementation of a treaty that the WTO is behind.
>>
>> I read this letter once where a US govt employee of some stature (like a
>> diplomat or a state department person) was writing to some scandanavian
>> country who refused to enact it into law due to the fact that it went
>> against their country's constitution - which was based on ours!
>>
>> plenty of crappy, injustice creating lamers out there ):
>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> hrms...
>>>
>>>  the law is that the govt can supboena anyone for any information for
>>> any reason and you aren't allowed to say no, and in fact you aren't even
>>> allowed to talk about it happening.  Not even in a court of law (i wonder
>>> what would happen if you were asked under oath?)
>>>
>>> So there is no legal recourse, until they screwed up and leaked an
>>> admission that they were doin it, kinda crazy:
>>>
>>> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1228088813.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am the neon tiger.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you would.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like cops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:23 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  cops pulled me over 3x in the weeks after I was released just to
>>>>>>> "check in on me", rotten mother fuckers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I once had a friend who i'll call "Eric"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Me and him were chillin somewhere at night mindin our own business
>>>>>>>> and some cops came and started talkin to us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Long story short, he was peppersprayed, beaten (it took a cop around
>>>>>>>> his middle and one on each arm to take him down), stomped a couple 
>>>>>>>> times neo
>>>>>>>> nazi style when he was on the ground, and then arrested for resisting
>>>>>>>> arrest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He was in jail for 2 days i think and when they took him to court,
>>>>>>>> they dropped the charges before the trial since they didn't actually 
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> anything to try him with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> good times :P
>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:01 PM, eric drewes 
>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all joking aside though, im right there with you Cid, but i'd add
>>>>>>>>> more than just lawyers to the list of people dragged out of their 
>>>>>>>>> overpriced
>>>>>>>>> stuffy offices :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:58 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you dont like our justice system?  man, cops have never been
>>>>>>>>>> anything but nice and helpful for me, i dont understand where the 
>>>>>>>>>> anti-gov
>>>>>>>>>> sentiments come from ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:55 PM, CiD 
>>>>>>>>>> <screamingdazeez@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   Smart man.  Something interesting is military law is different
>>>>>>>>>>> than civilian law under the same country umbrella of power.  I do 
>>>>>>>>>>> not like
>>>>>>>>>>> our justice system and think lawyers should be dragged out of their
>>>>>>>>>>> overpriced, stuffy offices and stripped down to their skivvies and 
>>>>>>>>>>> slapped
>>>>>>>>>>> with wet towels until they are severely red bodied and sent home to 
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> mommas for instructions on how to properly share their milk 
>>>>>>>>>>> chocolate with
>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the class!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --- On *Wed, 3/31/10, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: OT: microsoft, secretly our friend?
>>>>>>>>>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 8:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They must have some angle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like maybe they have something to hide that they dont want the
>>>>>>>>>>> govt to see or something.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I dont trust MSs intentions for 1 second :P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:04 AM, eric drewes 
>>>>>>>>>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/49179-google-and-microsoft-call-for-greater-limits-on-government-snooping
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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