[project1dev] Re: Items left for milestone (5/11)
- From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:50:34 -0700
well i dont think we dont need to be too drastic we just have to watch out
for things that are way higher poly count than we mean to be
like if there's a sphere thats a small marble on a table, we don't want it
haveing 10,000 triangles or anything (:
if you guys are ok with it i just mean try and keep things as low poly as
you can while still keeping the quality you want.
I just mean to limit the art to the polys that are needed for the desired
quality, i dont mean to say we need to be low poly.
Hopefully that makes sense
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:41 PM, katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hey Eric,
>
> =] Just saw the post below, got it!
>
> Thanks for the info/instructions. I will run through that before sending
> models. I figured that is what you guys were getting at.
>
> Are we talking triangles? It is been a while, I can't remember if the poly
> counts you get are after triangulation/rendering or before.
>
> -K
>
> --- On *Tue, 5/26/09, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: Items left for milestone (5/11)
> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 12:58 PM
>
> oh good point eric
>
> Ok so basically we want to keep models as minimal as possible for vert /
> poly counts since the lower polys we have the better the game will run and
> the more we can put into a map.
>
> We don't have a specific polycount target or anything yet unfortunately and
> there's optimizations to be had so we will find out as we go but basically
> we want to try to minimize it to the amount of polys to what is needed.
>
> For instance with the original miner model, the model was 5500 polys and it
> made the game chug (well at least on my machine and a few others).
>
> I used the model optimizer in milkshape (details on that below if you want
> em!) and was able to drop it to about 550 polys with almost no visual
> degradation, like in game it looked the same but it used 10x fewer polys
> which would let us put 10 of the new guys on one screen for the same cost as
> 1 of the old which is pretty substantial!
>
> So yeah, there's no hard numbers but we want to make sure we aren't using
> like 6000 polys for a single lantern or anything like that, which is really
> easy to do by accident.
>
> Of course keep in mind it's the programmer's role to push the polycount
> down for performance and the artists role to push it up for appearance rofl
> - so we'll have to find a happy medium as things progress and we'll probably
> have some kinda hard target goal for number of polygons rendered at any one
> time.
>
> Anyhow just FYI!!
>
> optimizing meshes in milkshape:
>
> in milkshape under the tools menu there's an option that is something like
> "directx mesh tools" click that to bring up the window.
>
> In that window is a slider. You can slide it to the left to make it use
> less verts and view a preview. Basically take it down to as far as you can
> where it still looks acceptable then click the disk looking icon and it will
> apply your changes.
>
> When you optimize a mesh you lose all animation data so you want to make
> sure and animate after optimizing if you are animating (:
>
> i forget anything eric? that sound ok?
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM, eric drewes
> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
>
>> hey katie, also did alan talk to you about model optimization, etc?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:19 PM, eric drewes
>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> ya katie, have at it on all those props, i knew that tent would be a
>>> feast for one of us :) so eat up! if you can think of other props for it,
>>> the world is your oyster, etc. :) can't wait to see what you come up w/!
>>>
>>> as far as character modeling goes... um, lets get this place built then
>>> we can discuss that aspect because w/ character creation coming up that is a
>>> huge decision and we'll have to figure out what direction we want to go, so
>>> lets burn that bridge when we get to it ;) it will impact the rest of the
>>> game and i havent really had time to discuss that w/ anyone yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Chris Riccobono
>>> <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I actually ended up planning to play tf2 with my friend, and everyone
>>>> from our group came to play too.. on Sunday night we had 8 people out
>>>> of 10 total in one game, it was crazy!
>>>>
>>>> It was funny reading that you wished we did a fps cuz of that too, heh
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Alan Wolfe
>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > i was gonna go hikin and kept putting it off til monday then realized
>>>> it was
>>>> > memorial day and all the parkin would be full hahah, so did nothin all
>>>> > weekend. i suck :p
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Chris Riccobono
>>>> > <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I was totally mia this weekend too, I spent almost the whole weekend
>>>> >> playing team fortress 2 with my steam group... it was really fun
>>>> times
>>>> >> :)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM, katie cook
>>>> >> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > Hey Eric,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I am catching up with the post and then I will check in with you
>>>> here in
>>>> >> > just a few. Sorry I was out of touch this weekend, I was consumed
>>>> >> > w/mucho
>>>> >> > family BBQ stuff for the holiday.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --- On Sun, 5/24/09,
>>>> >> > figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx><
>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > From: figarus@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx> <
>>>> figarus@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> >> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: Items left for milestone (5/11)
>>>> >> > To:
>>>> >> > project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> > Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 3:06 PM
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Hey katie,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Did you get a chance to take a look at the art stuff for milestone
>>>> 2? Is
>>>> >> > there anything in there you are interested in signing on for?
>>>> >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>> >> > ________________________________
>>>> >> > From: katie cook
>>>> >> > Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:06:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> >> > To:
>>>> >> > <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >
>>>> >> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: Items left for milestone (5/11)
>>>> >> > I have heard there are some issues, etc. but I have yet to try it.
>>>> It is
>>>> >> > dependent on how the texture is setup etc. like uv projection and
>>>> what
>>>> >> > kind
>>>> >> > of geometry. I am going to run some test scenarios and see. I will
>>>> >> > holler at
>>>> >> > the results. =)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --- On Tue, 5/12/09, eric drewes
>>>> >> > <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > From: eric drewes
>>>> >> > <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >
>>>> >> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: Items left for milestone (5/11)
>>>> >> > To:
>>>> >> > project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 12:16 PM
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > cool, maybe saturday will be the modeling party or whatnot so we
>>>> can
>>>> >> > clear
>>>> >> > the rest of the models.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > hey on a technical note, does maya 09 go right into milkshape with
>>>> the
>>>> >> > materials/textures intact?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > anyways, w00t, im excited :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:20 PM, katie cook
>>>> >> > <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Oh BTW Eric =),
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I have a fair amount of time on Saturdays which is when I have
>>>> started
>>>> >> >> setting time aside specifically for the project. If you have a lot
>>>> of
>>>> >> >> stuff
>>>> >> >> your doing this week and don't think you'll get to it by Saturday,
>>>> I
>>>> >> >> can
>>>> >> >> help with the props your trying to do ie.shovel, etc. I am going
>>>> to be
>>>> >> >> modeling stuff anyway to keep me modeling and to become more
>>>> proficient
>>>> >> >> with
>>>> >> >> Maya 09.
>>>> >> >> -Katie
>>>> >> >> --- On Tue, 5/12/09, eric drewes
>>>> >> >> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> From: eric drewes
>>>> >> >> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >
>>>> >> >> Subject: [project1dev] Re: Items left for milestone (5/11)
>>>> >> >> To:
>>>> >> >> project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 11:09 AM
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> hey katie,
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Awesome! Excited to have more modelers working, and glad you're
>>>> in :)
>>>> >> >> I
>>>> >> >> am guilty of this too so maybe we need a way to let everyone know
>>>> what
>>>> >> >> weplan on working on or have in process so we don't duplicate our
>>>> >> >> efforts w/
>>>> >> >> models, etc. can't wait to see your stuff...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> -eric
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:05 PM, katie cook
>>>> >> >> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Hey Guys,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I modeled a rail car on Saturday, and am working on texturing it
>>>> up.
>>>> >> >>> If
>>>> >> >>> you want I can post it early so you can look at it. I am almost
>>>> done
>>>> >> >>> with
>>>> >> >>> texturing, just have to finish up the wheels. Should be able to
>>>> finish
>>>> >> >>> tonight or tomorrow.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I was also going to model some shovels etc. Just filler stuff to
>>>> help.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Anyway, let me know what you guys think. I can do more models
>>>> just let
>>>> >> >>> me
>>>> >> >>> know.
>>>> >> >>> Katie
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> --- On Mon, 5/11/09, Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> From: Alan Wolfe
>>>> >> >>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >
>>>> >> >>> Subject: [project1dev] Items left for milestone (5/11)
>>>> >> >>> To:
>>>> >> >>> project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> >> >>> Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 8:01 PM
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Here's the weekly update of our milestone progress. Red items
>>>> are
>>>> >> >>> blocked by other tasks, blue items are unblocked.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Art:
>>>> >> >>> #1 - props for the cave (mining picks, rail cars, piles of
>>>> rubble,
>>>> >> >>> that
>>>> >> >>> kind of stuff)
>>>> >> >>> #2 - lighting pass for the cave: (Waiting for cave to be
>>>> decorated and
>>>> >> >>> finished)
>>>> >> >>> #3 - animation for miners walking around
>>>> >> >>> #4 - animation for miners mining the walls
>>>> >> >>> #5 - animation for boss monster ambushing you
>>>> >> >>> #6 - combat animation for miners in combat (just an idle
>>>> animation)
>>>> >> >>> #7 - combat animation for boss monster (just an idle animation)
>>>> >> >>> #8 - cave battle arena art (just a 3d backdrop for combat, unless
>>>> we
>>>> >> >>> are
>>>> >> >>> ok with what we have right now) Probably blocked until we have
>>>> the
>>>> >> >>> cave
>>>> >> >>> decorated with a lighting pass.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Scripting / Building:
>>>> >> >>> #1 - finish decorating cave: waiting on art to decorate the cave
>>>> with
>>>> >> >>> (maybe this should be an art task)
>>>> >> >>> #2 - balance the boss fight.
>>>> >> >>> #3 - re balance the combat after all the enemies and boss are
>>>> placed
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Coding:
>>>> >> >>> #1 - make animated models cast shadows correctly
>>>> >> >>> #2 - make it so models not on screen can still cast shadows on
>>>> screen
>>>> >> >>> so
>>>> >> >>> we don't have shadow "popping"
>>>> >> >>> #3 - oct tree optomization for collision detection
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> =========Done========
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Art:
>>>> >> >>> Got a pickaxe from Katie
>>>> >> >>> Got some nice rocks from Chris, and textured them with a texture
>>>> from
>>>> >> >>> Matt
>>>> >> >>> Eric made a lower polycount mine cart
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Scripting / Building:
>>>> >> >>> Enemy pathing (Kent)
>>>> >> >>> Cave in after boss fight (Kent)
>>>> >> >>> a stationary mining enemy that doesnt path (Kent)
>>>> >> >>> the boss ambushes you (Kent)
>>>> >> >>> we have a boss combat enemy (Kent)
>>>> >> >>> monster placement has been finished (Kent the superstar)
>>>> >> >>> the cave is finished being walled, you cant fall out of the map
>>>> now
>>>> >> >>> Nick balanced combat before we placed a whole bunch of new
>>>> enemies
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Coding:
>>>> >> >>> A few optomizations
>>>> >> >>> A basic level editor
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
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>>>> >
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