[project1dev] Re: Fwd: Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON THE STEAMPUNK BEAST
- From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:10:35 -0500
to answer whether i am confused or not... I am not :) My issue wasn't with
you being "blunt and honest", I LIKE blunt honesty, my issue is that you
told me that you understood - here is an example of what i am talking about:
*Yesterday you said:*
The sign you said you didn't have a name for yet...Which I get if you
> weren't looking for the sign so much as the frame. You sent 3 pics, saying
> you didn't have a name. And mentioned wanting building materials, etc. Which
> is fine. But unless we are going to include different stages of the sign
> being built throughout the game, then it doesn't make any sense. And really
> if we were going to do that, then why not build it all at once, and just
> display what we wanted to show at what time???
>
*
but here was the dialogue we had 3 weeks ago:*
From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: examples
> To: ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 3:42 PM
>
>
> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com/fine_art/portfolio/fiesta/images/pics/rodeo2007-8.jpg
>
> but off to the right, and still being put together
>
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_H-BQXHbLT7k/SNmhgWJMoGI/AAAAAAAAAW8/_hpTSja44SI/s400/CarnivalSign.jpg
>
>
> http://heroeswiki.com/Image:Carnival_sign.JPG
>
> the concept is in the beginning we'll have the sign being put up,
> then gradually as the game progresses it'll be added on to untl its done
> what do you think?
>
> From: katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:13:23 -0700 (PDT)
> To: eric drewes<figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: examples
>
> So would you want different models for the sign at different stages of
> construction?
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/15/09, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> From: eric <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: examples
> To: "katie cook" <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:00 PM
> - Hide quoted text -
>
>
> Well we don't have the name yet so really we just want the beginning
> stages of the sign, like the poles its going on, scaffolding, tools,
> boxes of light bulbs, etc.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> --katie cook to me Oct 18
>
> Sweet, sound good...I will get started. =) thanks E!
>
*My conclusion:
*Frankly, I feel a little betrayed because you had never given me any
indication that you had a problem - I realize that in the past you felt like
you didn't get enough direction so I attempted to give you reference
examples, descriptions and peripheral prop ideas to include w/ the model - I
felt like you knew exactly what I wanted on October 18th, I didn't hear a
single additional question since then about it - every question/concern you
had in what you wrote yesterday is answered in the dialogue we had in the
above email thread almost a month ago, so why are you sending rude emails to
the list about it weeks later and saying things like you have to "pick at me
like a scab" to get information from me, etc. There was literally no way
for me to know that you had any problems at all, the last thing I heard from
you about it was "sweet, sound good...i will get started." Now you are
saying "you were just being honest and holding me accountable" well
accountable for what? for giving you what I thought you needed, answering
your questions and then thinking you had it figured out? I tried to let it
go and just move on but then last night you reiterated that you were just
being blunt and honest and holding me to my word, etc. I have a
contradicting point of view, I feel like you were skewing what happened and
neglectful in recognizing that I have tried to answer every question and
give you everything you've wanted.
It's just like your assertion yesterday where you claimed that I said that I
wished you had done the wagon differently AFTER it was finished and that the
comment aggravated you. I don't believe I ever said anything like that at
all about the wagon, I do remember after the tent was finished (7 months
ago) that I said it wasn't exactly the way I had envisioned, but I followed
up with that by saying something like "I really like it and I purposefully
left it up to your interpretation, its perfect". So what is the real
problem there? and why bring it up and blast me for it publicly months
later? it seriously bums me out.
I really really don't want to argue anymore, so can we just let this go? I
still think you're a cool person and I love your art, I see no reason that
these arguments should affect anything in a negative way, but in the future
please contact me directly if you have a problem or go to alan or chris
riccobono if you think I am being unreasonable so we can reconcile our
issues peacefully rather than scream at one another over the public list.
Thanks,
Eric
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:12 PM, katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The stuff that I brought up was completely trivial. It was by no means that
> big of a deal. And it wasn't like I was mad or anything. I was just being
> blunt. It was just one of those things that if you could change something
> what would it be I guess...And I admitted that there was some
> misinterpretation on my part so...
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 11/16/09, katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: Fwd: Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON THE
> STEAMPUNK BEAST
> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:04 AM
>
>
> WTF ERIC, I said its all good...
>
> Did you read what I wrote or are you confused?
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 11/16/09, eric <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: eric <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: Fwd: Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON THE
> STEAMPUNK BEAST
> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:07 AM
>
> I don't want to get into it again but I thought I had done due dilligence -
> I gave you reference images, descriptions and an overview of how it was
> going to work, you didn't say anything except that it was clear and you'd
> start working... I sincerely don't know what more I could have done, I had
> no idea you needed more information or had any more questions. So consider
> that my blunt and honest reply :P
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> ------------------------------
> *From: *katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Date: *Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:42:23 -0800 (PST)
> *To: *<project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject: *[project1dev] Re: Fwd: Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON THE
> STEAMPUNK BEAST
>
> Just so you guys know, I am not really frustrated by this situation. I
> am just really eager to get going on things and I think we could all use a
> kick in the pants (myself included). Sometimes I come across bluntly and
> abrasive,but I am always honest and though I might not be tactful at all, I
> feel like I have the ability to say the things most people are too nice not
> to say. But I just want to get shit done if you know what I mean.
>
> Thanks for your posts and clarification Eric, I knew if we hashed it out it
> would come around. And its okay if you think I was a biache, I know I was
> being awefully blunt.
>
> Thanks so much for your patience with me and not getting mad. And I hope
> you know to not take any of this personal. I was just throwing it out there
> and running at the mouth...I really respect what you guys are trying to do,
> and I am very grateful that you are allowing me to contribute. I want to do
> whatever it is that you want to make a great game. But the other side of
> that is you have to tell me, and I have to hold you to what you say. You got
> to be specific if you want something specific, you know? =)
>
> --- On *Sun, 11/15/09, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [project1dev] Re: Fwd: Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON THE
> STEAMPUNK BEAST
> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 12:53 PM
>
> the concept art for the beast is approved, i don't really care who models
> it but i would say katie has dibs because she had it first, however if she
> wants to defer to you that is fine - if you have any questions post them for
> the group or you can email me directly and i can answer!
>
> as far as contentions go, i think basically people are frustrated by a lack
> of progress, we had a major problem as far as managing the project goes that
> hopefully is in the process of being rectified so really don't worry about
> it! I really like everyone on the team and i think we can do great thing
> and i feel responsible for slowness but have taken steps to fix the issue...
> hopefully we'll have smooth sailing now.
>
> thanks,
>
> eric
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 3:42 PM, gabriel taylor <aidyn66@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen any of the concept work for the beast, and I was under the
>> impression Katie was going to be working on it. I'd be interested, though,
>> if you'd like me to. Just let me know where the concept work is, and I'll
>> check it out. I'll probably add some questions there, too. Me and my
>> questions.... :P
>>
>> Elizabeth Patrician wrote:
>>
>>> Whats her noodle being me, of course...
>>> I was under the impression that the beast was approved and that Gabriel
>>> was going to model the beast based on the concepts that I had already done?
>>> I'm very sorry if it's become a point of contention because of my
>>> misunderstanding, should I still be reworking it?
>>> Liz
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM, katie cook <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>> After this event, there were posts about modifications and color
>>> concepts etc that whats her noodle wanted to change...
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Sun, 11/15/09, eric drewes /<figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> Subject: [project1dev] Fwd: Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON
>>> THE STEAMPUNK BEAST
>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:01 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> "And I hear its been approved that I can work on the
>>> biobeastie thing, but where the heck are the concepts. Has
>>> anyone finished that? Is it already finished? What needs to be
>>> done? If it is ready to be modeled, post the final concept and
>>> Mark it FINAL CONCEPT or something to indicate as such, and I
>>> will get on it! And if you still want help with character
>>> designs, let me know. Just a description or something to go
>>> from and we can shoot back and forth until we reach a point
>>> that your happy with."
>>>
>>>
>>> *HERE YOU GO:*
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: *katie cook* <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:43 PM
>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON THE
>>> STEAMPUNK BEAST
>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think 3.0 works with the sketch you did, I can work from that.
>>> Granted it would be subject to my artistic interpretation
>>> of
>>> portrayal...
>>> What I mean really is:
>>> You could give a few different people the same exact concept
>>> and they would all built/model it slightly different. With the
>>> models I have been doing personally I have been coming up with
>>> colors/look, so I am cool with doing that unless colors/design
>>> is something that they guys want done with the concept...?
>>> If everyone agrees it is cool to go ahead with it, then I
>>> can
>>> start modeling after I finish the wagon if EROCK is cool with
>>> that. I haven't checked in with Eric as far as what is up next
>>> after we finish the fortune teller area. That might affect it.
>>> Need to make sure to stick with his production schedule..=)
>>> Anyway, let me know guys what you think and how we are
>>> looking
>>> schedule wise...
>>> I have an extra day this weekend to work on the project so
>>> I
>>> am hoping I can get some things wrapped up!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Thu, 7/9/09, Elizabeth Patrician /<potatoart@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://mc/compose?to=potatoart@xxxxxxxxx>>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Elizabeth Patrician <potatoart@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://mc/compose?to=potatoart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON
>>> THE STEAMPUNK BEAST
>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 11:19 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, I'll work up some more designs along the lines of
>>> 3.0, different angles and whatnot.
>>> I hadn't realized that 2.0 looked like the Armored
>>> Bears...I was just going for something bulkier and more
>>> muscular than 1.0. I guess I need to be more careful
>>> about those subconscious influences!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Kent Petersen
>>> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with you Katie. I think keeping away form
>>> mainstream stuff is a good idea. I like the way 3.0
>>> looks more anyway
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:47 PM, katie cook
>>> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a big fan of biobeastie 3.0, that is much
>>> along the lines of what I was thinking, but was
>>> not able to concept. I suck at concept drawing,
>>> etc...=(
>>>
>>> Biobeastie 2.0 reminds me a lot of the polar bears
>>> with their armor in The golden compass. I think it
>>> is a neat idea, but I think it would be easily
>>> distinguishable and seen as too similar to those
>>> characters.
>>>
>>> What do you guys think? I am just shooting from
>>> left field here...=)
>>>
>>> --- On *Thu, 7/9/09, eric drewes
>>> /<figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>/*
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: PLEASE POST IF YOUR
>>> WORKING ON THE STEAMPUNK BEAST
>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 2:03 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've attached the two more concepts I've come
>>> up with- biobeastie 2.0 was done after people
>>> suggested a more biological and less
>>> mechanical look to the beastie, and 3.0 was
>>> done with the steampunk idea in mind. Please
>>> forgive my ghetto color coding, all I had to
>>> color with was a couple of highlighters
>>> (hooray for slacking at work!). The green
>>> bits are fluids/tubes/wires, the yellow is for
>>> brains/veins/biological bits, and the shaded
>>> silver parts are all metal.
>>> These are rough concepts. Once we agree on a
>>> general shape/build for the beast, I can work
>>> up detailed images with different views and
>>> proper colors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 2:25 PM, katie cook
>>> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I might be modeling it, it depends on
>>> if I get the go ahead from Eric and if
>>> no one else was slotted to model it. I
>>> have only been doing props up to this
>>> point, and there are some other peeps
>>> that have been handling characters,
>>> etc. I want to make sure they are cool
>>> with it first.
>>> I just had
>>> some really basic ideas.
>>> You should post what you got. It could
>>> be very similar to what you had in
>>> mind. =) Maybe I could add on to what
>>> you have already worked out...?
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Wed, 7/8/09, Elizabeth
>>> Patrician /<potatoart@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <http://mc/compose?to=potatoart@xxxxxxxxx>>/*
>>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Elizabeth Patrician
>>> <potatoart@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://mc/compose?to=potatoart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: PLEASE
>>> POST IF YOUR WORKING ON THE
>>> STEAMPUNK BEAST
>>> To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009,
>>> 4:34 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd love to see your concepts as
>>> well, Katie, especially since
>>> you're going to be the one
>>> modeling it. What did you have in
>>> mind?
>>>
>>>
>>> On
>>> Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:58 PM,
>>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=figarus@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you two want to work
>>> together that would be
>>> awesome, I'd like to see what
>>> sketches concept wise you come
>>> up wqoith
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From*: katie cook
>>> *Date*: Wed, 8 Jul 2009
>>> 13:54:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>> *To*:
>>> <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject*: [project1dev] Re:
>>> PLEASE POST IF YOUR WORKING ON
>>> THE STEAMPUNK BEAST
>>> Yeah, that would be cool.
>>>
>>> I would be interested in
>>> modeling it, but that would
>>> all be up to Eric and what he
>>> wants done...=)
>>>
>>> --- On *Wed, 7/8/09, Elizabeth
>>> Patrician
>>> /<potatoart@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=potatoart@xxxxxxxxx>>/*
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Elizabeth Patrician
>>> <potatoart@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=potatoart@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> Subject: [project1dev] Re:
>>> PLEASE POST IF YOUR
>>> WORKING ON THE STEAMPUNK BEAST
>>> To:
>>> project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 8,
>>> 2009, 1:50 PM
>>>
>>> I'm working on concepts
>>> still. I was MIA for a
>>> week because I was down in
>>> LA, but I can finish the
>>> ideas I've got if you guys
>>> are ready to start
>>> modeling it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at
>>> 1:26 PM, katie cook
>>> <ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc361.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ktmcook@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just putting this in
>>> if someone misses it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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