[project1dev] Re: Character creation

  • From: Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:18:34 -0700

Is everyone wizard then? :P

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:17 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> there are no classes
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> I misunderstood you then, I thought you wanted the customization to
>> differ based on class?
>>
>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:10 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > actually chris, i dont really think that was what he was saying, i think
>> > he
>> > was just saying we could build a wizard using the combinations, not that
>> > all
>> > wizards would look like... given that "classes" are fluid in the game
>> > and
>> > customizable, i dont really think having a set silhouette would work in
>> > this
>> > case.
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Alan, I think the system you suggested fits best so far - I also
>> >> wanted to mention another point:
>> >>
>> >> For each class, we need to make sure the silhouette is recognizable.
>> >> This is important to distinguish players from each other at a glance.
>> >> So what I'm saying is, you need to be able to look at a wizard and
>> >> instantly know from his body type that he is a wizard, and that a
>> >> warrior is a warrior.
>> >>
>> >> It would probably be easiest to make a generic model for each class
>> >> type, and then customize that model with however you guys come up
>> >> with.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > "do that last" i mean last as part of this milestone.
>> >> >
>> >> > if we get a good generic system in like i was talking about, that
>> >> > will
>> >> > set
>> >> > us up nicely for the future cause i bet within a couple of milestones
>> >> > the
>> >> > player will start interacting with other people, and if we have
>> >> > something
>> >> > that can bust out specific looking people easily, that would be
>> >> > really
>> >> > nice
>> >> > not having to model and animate every single person.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> yeah definitely...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> but anyhow... we'll have to decide the details of how we want it to
>> >> >> work.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We'll need to decide how we want to go about it before we actually
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> character customization stuff probably but i say we do that last.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That'll give me some time to code up the other stuff that's needed
>> >> >> while
>> >> >> we think about this issue and keep it cookin in the back of our
>> >> >> heads.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> my POV anyhow (:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM, <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Yep
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ________________________________
>> >> >>> From: Kent Petersen
>> >> >>> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:45:29 -0700
>> >> >>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: Character creation
>> >> >>> Couldn't we do a combination of 1 and 2. 1 for setting the type and
>> >> >>> size
>> >> >>> of the npcs and 2 have the colorization for making more armor
>> >> >>> appearances.
>> >> >>> We could even take advantage of alpha coloring to change the
>> >> >>> appearance of
>> >> >>> the armors
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> i'm actually thinkin we'd be able to cook up some NPC's in script,
>> >> >>>> but
>> >> >>>> we could also have a "character editor" in the editor that would
>> >> >>>> let
>> >> >>>> you
>> >> >>>> tweak the values of character creation and save the settings which
>> >> >>>> could
>> >> >>>> then be called up in script.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> like you build the wizard in the editor by selecting gender,
>> >> >>>> setting
>> >> >>>> body type stuff, hair color and style, eye color, face, the
>> >> >>>> clothing
>> >> >>>> he's
>> >> >>>> wearing, items he's hold etc...
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> then you'd save it as "Merlin" or whatever.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> In script, it would always call it up by name "Merlin" so that if
>> >> >>>> you
>> >> >>>> wanted to, you could open it up in the editor, change the values
>> >> >>>> (like "hey
>> >> >>>> this face looks better on him") and then the whole game would be
>> >> >>>> updated
>> >> >>>> with the new art.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The character would just be a special case of this where we
>> >> >>>> provide
>> >> >>>> an
>> >> >>>> interface to the player during the intro to set up the values that
>> >> >>>> are
>> >> >>>> stored for the character's appearance.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Alan Wolfe
>> >> >>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> ok so i have an alterior motive for bringing this up haha
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Basically what i'd like to do is make a system where we can have
>> >> >>>>> different looking people wearing different (or random) peices of
>> >> >>>>> clothing
>> >> >>>>> and we can populate the world with them.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> So like... if you have a specific wizard guy you want in the
>> >> >>>>> game,
>> >> >>>>> you
>> >> >>>>> would (via script or NPC settings for this NPC)
>> >> >>>>> 1) start with the male model
>> >> >>>>> 2) say it's extra tall and kind of skinny
>> >> >>>>> 3) choose a specific face from a collection of faces we have
>> >> >>>>> 4) pick the clothing you want him to wear (ie wizards_robe_purple
>> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >>>>> wizards_hat_purple)
>> >> >>>>> 5) attach an item to his hand (wizard_staff_red)
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> and bam we have our appearance.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Or, let's say you wanted a group of rabble for a scene where the
>> >> >>>>> player
>> >> >>>>> was getting lynched
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> you would say, for 20 people, do this:
>> >> >>>>> 1) choose a random gender
>> >> >>>>> 2) pick a random height and stalkyness from a range (ie if you
>> >> >>>>> want
>> >> >>>>> them to mostly be fatter and shorter - or you want the women to
>> >> >>>>> be
>> >> >>>>> tall and
>> >> >>>>> skinny and the men short and fat you can do this)
>> >> >>>>> 3) choose randomly from a set of faces you want on these people
>> >> >>>>> 4) randomly select various items of clothing and colors of that
>> >> >>>>> clothing that would make sense for rablle to be wearing
>> >> >>>>> 5) randomly give some of them torches and pitch forks
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> If we come up with a general case solution to the issues of
>> >> >>>>> character
>> >> >>>>> creation / item and armor fitting we can do some really cool
>> >> >>>>> stuff
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Alan Wolfe
>> >> >>>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > think about putting pants on a man model vs a woman.
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > women have curvy hips so that would make the pants model need
>> >> >>>>> > to
>> >> >>>>> > be
>> >> >>>>> > different so the inside model doesnt poke through etc.
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > we could make all the women look like men, or maybe all women
>> >> >>>>> > wear
>> >> >>>>> > only dresses but there are other options too
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Kent Petersen
>> >> >>>>> > <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >> To make it easier you would just want to have the body and
>> >> >>>>> >> head
>> >> >>>>> >> types to
>> >> >>>>> >> keep similar dimensions
>> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Kent Petersen
>> >> >>>>> >> <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>> >>> Helmets can just be attached to the head and remove the hair
>> >> >>>>> >>> model.
>> >> >>>>> >>> Body
>> >> >>>>> >>> armor could attach to the shoulders. I don't see it being
>> >> >>>>> >>> more
>> >> >>>>> >>> complicated
>> >> >>>>> >>> than attaching a sword or shileld.
>> >> >>>>> >>>
>> >> >>>>> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM, eric drewes
>> >> >>>>> >>> <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>> yeah ive been thinking about it a lot... ff3 and most
>> >> >>>>> >>>> oldschool
>> >> >>>>> >>>> rpgs
>> >> >>>>> >>>> didnt change appearance based on armor but i think ti is
>> >> >>>>> >>>> awesome
>> >> >>>>> >>>> when it
>> >> >>>>> >>>> does but i dunno the headaches are worth it.  maybe in the
>> >> >>>>> >>>> body
>> >> >>>>> >>>> types we
>> >> >>>>> >>>> just have like 10 different ones with different clothing
>> >> >>>>> >>>> that
>> >> >>>>> >>>> the
>> >> >>>>> >>>> player can
>> >> >>>>> >>>> pick through and customize colors.  then we could make more
>> >> >>>>> >>>> for
>> >> >>>>> >>>> NPC's, etc.
>> >> >>>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>> i dunno what do you guys think
>> >> >>>>> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Alan Wolfe
>> >> >>>>> >>>> <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> Okies, sounds pretty good
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> question though, when the player wears items / clothing /
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> armor
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> is it
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> going to change their appearance?
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> If so, we'll have to find a way to make "1 size fits all".
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> The placement of shields etc will be easy cause we can
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> basically
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> attach it to the hand bone, whatever animation / player
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> settings
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> have
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> the hand bone placed as.
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> But armor however or clothing working on different body
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> sizes
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> /
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> types
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> might be interesting....
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> any thoughts on that?
>> >> >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:09 PM,  <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > Yep, that's how I see it
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >________________________________
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > From: Kent Petersen
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:08:20 -0700
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: Character creation
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > I was thinking the player should be broken into multiple
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > pieces. Hair,
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > head,
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > body, maybe another section. Then when you talk to the
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > person
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > it would
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > ask,
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > "are you male or female" then the body would appear male
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > or
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > female.
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > Then if
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > we wanted to do one more complicated we could have
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > multiple
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > body
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > builds that
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > you could toggle through. After that he would move on to
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > the
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > hair then
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > head
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > etc. Then when he was completely done you could go back
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > and
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > change
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > your mind
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Alan Wolfe
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> Hey Guys!
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> Since we are building the area where you set up your
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> appearance i
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> wanted to start a thread on character creation.
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> To Eric: what did you have in mind?
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> To everyone else: what kind of ideas do you guys have
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> for
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> how
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> it
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> should
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> work?
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> I have some ideas of my own based on tech stuff but i
>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> don't
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>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >> skew
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