[project1dev] Re: Character creation
- From: eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:25 -0400
actually chris, i dont really think that was what he was saying, i think he
was just saying we could build a wizard using the combinations, not that all
wizards would look like... given that "classes" are fluid in the game and
customizable, i dont really think having a set silhouette would work in this
case.
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Chris Riccobono <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Alan, I think the system you suggested fits best so far - I also
> wanted to mention another point:
>
> For each class, we need to make sure the silhouette is recognizable.
> This is important to distinguish players from each other at a glance.
> So what I'm saying is, you need to be able to look at a wizard and
> instantly know from his body type that he is a wizard, and that a
> warrior is a warrior.
>
> It would probably be easiest to make a generic model for each class
> type, and then customize that model with however you guys come up
> with.
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > "do that last" i mean last as part of this milestone.
> >
> > if we get a good generic system in like i was talking about, that will
> set
> > us up nicely for the future cause i bet within a couple of milestones the
> > player will start interacting with other people, and if we have something
> > that can bust out specific looking people easily, that would be really
> nice
> > not having to model and animate every single person.
> >
> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> yeah definitely...
> >>
> >> but anyhow... we'll have to decide the details of how we want it to
> work.
> >>
> >> We'll need to decide how we want to go about it before we actually do
> the
> >> character customization stuff probably but i say we do that last.
> >>
> >> That'll give me some time to code up the other stuff that's needed while
> >> we think about this issue and keep it cookin in the back of our heads.
> >>
> >> my POV anyhow (:
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM, <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yep
> >>>
> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Kent Petersen
> >>> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:45:29 -0700
> >>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Subject: [project1dev] Re: Character creation
> >>> Couldn't we do a combination of 1 and 2. 1 for setting the type and
> size
> >>> of the npcs and 2 have the colorization for making more armor
> appearances.
> >>> We could even take advantage of alpha coloring to change the appearance
> of
> >>> the armors
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i'm actually thinkin we'd be able to cook up some NPC's in script, but
> >>>> we could also have a "character editor" in the editor that would let
> you
> >>>> tweak the values of character creation and save the settings which
> could
> >>>> then be called up in script.
> >>>>
> >>>> like you build the wizard in the editor by selecting gender, setting
> >>>> body type stuff, hair color and style, eye color, face, the clothing
> he's
> >>>> wearing, items he's hold etc...
> >>>>
> >>>> then you'd save it as "Merlin" or whatever.
> >>>>
> >>>> In script, it would always call it up by name "Merlin" so that if you
> >>>> wanted to, you could open it up in the editor, change the values (like
> "hey
> >>>> this face looks better on him") and then the whole game would be
> updated
> >>>> with the new art.
> >>>>
> >>>> The character would just be a special case of this where we provide an
> >>>> interface to the player during the intro to set up the values that are
> >>>> stored for the character's appearance.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ok so i have an alterior motive for bringing this up haha
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Basically what i'd like to do is make a system where we can have
> >>>>> different looking people wearing different (or random) peices of
> clothing
> >>>>> and we can populate the world with them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So like... if you have a specific wizard guy you want in the game,
> you
> >>>>> would (via script or NPC settings for this NPC)
> >>>>> 1) start with the male model
> >>>>> 2) say it's extra tall and kind of skinny
> >>>>> 3) choose a specific face from a collection of faces we have
> >>>>> 4) pick the clothing you want him to wear (ie wizards_robe_purple and
> >>>>> wizards_hat_purple)
> >>>>> 5) attach an item to his hand (wizard_staff_red)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and bam we have our appearance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or, let's say you wanted a group of rabble for a scene where the
> player
> >>>>> was getting lynched
> >>>>>
> >>>>> you would say, for 20 people, do this:
> >>>>> 1) choose a random gender
> >>>>> 2) pick a random height and stalkyness from a range (ie if you want
> >>>>> them to mostly be fatter and shorter - or you want the women to be
> tall and
> >>>>> skinny and the men short and fat you can do this)
> >>>>> 3) choose randomly from a set of faces you want on these people
> >>>>> 4) randomly select various items of clothing and colors of that
> >>>>> clothing that would make sense for rablle to be wearing
> >>>>> 5) randomly give some of them torches and pitch forks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If we come up with a general case solution to the issues of character
> >>>>> creation / item and armor fitting we can do some really cool stuff
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> > think about putting pants on a man model vs a woman.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > women have curvy hips so that would make the pants model need to be
> >>>>> > different so the inside model doesnt poke through etc.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > we could make all the women look like men, or maybe all women wear
> >>>>> > only dresses but there are other options too
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> >> To make it easier you would just want to have the body and head
> >>>>> >> types to
> >>>>> >> keep similar dimensions
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Kent Petersen <
> kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> Helmets can just be attached to the head and remove the hair
> model.
> >>>>> >>> Body
> >>>>> >>> armor could attach to the shoulders. I don't see it being more
> >>>>> >>> complicated
> >>>>> >>> than attaching a sword or shileld.
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> yeah ive been thinking about it a lot... ff3 and most oldschool
> >>>>> >>>> rpgs
> >>>>> >>>> didnt change appearance based on armor but i think ti is awesome
> >>>>> >>>> when it
> >>>>> >>>> does but i dunno the headaches are worth it. maybe in the body
> >>>>> >>>> types we
> >>>>> >>>> just have like 10 different ones with different clothing that
> the
> >>>>> >>>> player can
> >>>>> >>>> pick through and customize colors. then we could make more for
> >>>>> >>>> NPC's, etc.
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> i dunno what do you guys think
> >>>>> >>>>
> >>>>> >>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Alan Wolfe <
> alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> Okies, sounds pretty good
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> question though, when the player wears items / clothing / armor
> >>>>> >>>>> is it
> >>>>> >>>>> going to change their appearance?
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> If so, we'll have to find a way to make "1 size fits all".
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> The placement of shields etc will be easy cause we can
> basically
> >>>>> >>>>> attach it to the hand bone, whatever animation / player
> settings
> >>>>> >>>>> have
> >>>>> >>>>> the hand bone placed as.
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> But armor however or clothing working on different body sizes /
> >>>>> >>>>> types
> >>>>> >>>>> might be interesting....
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> any thoughts on that?
> >>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:09 PM, <figarus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> >>>>> > Yep, that's how I see it
> >>>>> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>>>> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >>>>> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>>>> >________________________________
> >>>>> >>>>> > From: Kent Petersen
> >>>>> >>>>> > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:08:20 -0700
> >>>>> >>>>> > To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> >>>>> > Subject: [project1dev] Re: Character creation
> >>>>> >>>>> > I was thinking the player should be broken into multiple
> >>>>> >>>>> > pieces. Hair,
> >>>>> >>>>> > head,
> >>>>> >>>>> > body, maybe another section. Then when you talk to the person
> >>>>> >>>>> > it would
> >>>>> >>>>> > ask,
> >>>>> >>>>> > "are you male or female" then the body would appear male or
> >>>>> >>>>> > female.
> >>>>> >>>>> > Then if
> >>>>> >>>>> > we wanted to do one more complicated we could have multiple
> >>>>> >>>>> > body
> >>>>> >>>>> > builds that
> >>>>> >>>>> > you could toggle through. After that he would move on to the
> >>>>> >>>>> > hair then
> >>>>> >>>>> > head
> >>>>> >>>>> > etc. Then when he was completely done you could go back and
> >>>>> >>>>> > change
> >>>>> >>>>> > your mind
> >>>>> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>>>> > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Alan Wolfe
> >>>>> >>>>> > <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>>> >> Hey Guys!
> >>>>> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>>> >> Since we are building the area where you set up your
> >>>>> >>>>> >> appearance i
> >>>>> >>>>> >> wanted to start a thread on character creation.
> >>>>> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>>> >> To Eric: what did you have in mind?
> >>>>> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>>> >> To everyone else: what kind of ideas do you guys have for
> how
> >>>>> >>>>> >> it
> >>>>> >>>>> >> should
> >>>>> >>>>> >> work?
> >>>>> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>>> >> I have some ideas of my own based on tech stuff but i don't
> >>>>> >>>>> >> want to
> >>>>> >>>>> >> skew
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