[project1dev] Re: 3d editors and our editor
- From: Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:18:01 -0700
What about holding in a key like crtl or alt?
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> how snapping works i dont have a problem with, coming up with an interface
> for snapping is what i'm saying might keep it from being a version 1
> feature.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Generally if you're snapping to grid you want the environment blocks
>> you're working with to fit into the grid nicely.
>>
>> So if you figure out the size of the cave floors and walls, I don't know
>> their specific dimensions but say cavewall
>> X = 2 Y = 8 Z = 10
>>
>> You would want that to fit into the grid and move in increments of 1.
>>
>> If it's pix.
>> X = 12 Y = 48 Z = 60 maybe move the blocks in increments of 4 pix.
>> at a time to allow for depth variation but still makes it fairly simple to
>> align multiple items.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Right click is already used for navigation around the world.
>>>
>>> When you hold the right mouse button, you have FPS camera control, and
>>> can use WASD or arrow keys to fly around.
>>>
>>> Snapping is a good idea, i'm not sure yet the best way to handle it
>>> though :/
>>>
>>> It might not be a version 1 feature
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> A "Snap" feature perhaps could be added by holding in right-click? Let
>>>> go and do the fine tuning. Hmm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Kent Petersen <kentkmp@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never really used a 3d editor before. Maybe you should release a
>>>>> rough draft editor for people to play around with and provide feedback for
>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Chris Riccobono
>>>>> <crysalim@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Including both ways sounds good. Can you include an option (via
>>>>>> console command or cfg) to set how much length it would "snap" to like
>>>>>> Nick said? Every 20 x, every 40 y, so on and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > What do you guys think of...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > #1 - You can click and drag a model around, when you move it, it
>>>>>> stays on
>>>>>> > the same horizontal plane (ie keeps the same z value like we were
>>>>>> talking
>>>>>> > about)
>>>>>> > #2 - if you hold control, dragging becomes an up and down movement.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > and also...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > #1 - keep the x,y,z arrows like they are now for moving if you want
>>>>>> to go
>>>>>> > that route (mostly keeping them for the next points)
>>>>>> > #2 - have a button that cycles beteen those arrows doing
>>>>>> translation,
>>>>>> > rotation and scaling so the same arrows can be used for the other
>>>>>> functions
>>>>>> > as well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Think that would work ok?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Oh, and everything "snapped" to a grid. So really great for
>>>>>> building
>>>>>> >> overall levels, terrible for putting in smaller details.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Nick Klotz <roracsenshi@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> The best 3d editor I have used had Y and Z on the mouse, when you
>>>>>> held in
>>>>>> >>> the ctrl key it switched to X.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Y axis being used with horizontal movements, Z axis for vertical.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Alan Wolfe <alan.wolfe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Interesting, thats actually pretty rad.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Thanks (:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:06 PM, eric drewes <figarus@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> chris said it better than me... like if there needed to be a
>>>>>> certain
>>>>>> >>>>> keypress to move along z in combination with large increments,
>>>>>> itd prbably
>>>>>> >>>>> work
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Chris Sherman
>>>>>> >>>>> <cshermandesign@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I typically work in a 3d space from isometric or perspective.
>>>>>> If you
>>>>>> >>>>>> can somehow figure out how to make mouse y + up and - down move
>>>>>> along the
>>>>>> >>>>>> x,y plane and ignore z unless a modifier key is pressed like
>>>>>> ctrl, that
>>>>>> >>>>>> would be terrific
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> >>>>>> From: Alan Wolfe
>>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:56:36 -0700
>>>>>> >>>>>> To: <project1dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [project1dev] 3d editors and our editor
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Ok so I'm workin on the level editor and hit a snag in figuring
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> >>>>>> the interface.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> How it works right now:
>>>>>> >>>>>> #1) If you hold the right mouse button down, you move around
>>>>>> just like
>>>>>> >>>>>> the free camera... IE mouse look + WASD to fly around in 3d
>>>>>> space
>>>>>> >>>>>> #2) if you let get of the right mouse button you can click on a
>>>>>> model
>>>>>> >>>>>> to select it, which shows information about it and also
>>>>>> displays 3 axis' on
>>>>>> >>>>>> it (ie X,Y,Z).
>>>>>> >>>>>> #3) You can click and drag an axis arrow to move the object.
>>>>>> Dragging
>>>>>> >>>>>> the mouse arrow up increases the position on that axis,
>>>>>> dragging it down
>>>>>> >>>>>> decreases the position on that axis.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Ok so #3 is really wonky... and that's why i wanted to talk to
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> >>>>>> guys and see what you think, especially the artists who have
>>>>>> used various 3d
>>>>>> >>>>>> editing programs.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Trying to figure out what movement of the mouse in 2d space
>>>>>> equates to
>>>>>> >>>>>> what kind of movement in 3d space along an axis is kinda tough.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> What i was thinking might be better than #3 is maybe...
>>>>>> >>>>>> If you click on the X or Y axis arrow, the camera spins around
>>>>>> so you
>>>>>> >>>>>> are viewing the model directly from above and then you can move
>>>>>> the object
>>>>>> >>>>>> around from that overhead view. If you click the Z axis it
>>>>>> spins the camera
>>>>>> >>>>>> to the front so you can move it up and down.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> That's still kind of wonky...
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> I've seen a few 3d editors (including the unreal level editor
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>>>> actually milkshape too) where the screen is seperated into 4
>>>>>> screens.
>>>>>> >>>>>> #1) Overhead view
>>>>>> >>>>>> #2) Side View
>>>>>> >>>>>> #3) Other side view
>>>>>> >>>>>> #4) realistic rendered preview
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone ever see a prorgram work well with a single viewport?
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>> >>>>>> anyone have any ideas to do so?
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> We could do the split viewport thing but if there's a decent
>>>>>> way where
>>>>>> >>>>>> we don't have to, it would be nice to do cause it would be
>>>>>> easier / quicker
>>>>>> >>>>>> to get done.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
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