Hi. well, got vb and vwd and sql server 2005 express. now, how do i then get around, and not have to rebuild all of my projects. except, will rebuild chapter 3, as do not like the table layout manager. and also in the example for chapter 7 for combo boxes, some of the printing routines did not work either, so will just copy the code from the book, as i have typed it a couple of times, and see if i get any major errors. and for coding conventions, what do i use for the print variables, and like fonts, like have been using dec for decimal, int for integer, str for string when the need arived, cbo for combo boxes, lbl for lables, tb for text boxes, lst for list boxes, etc. cheers Marvin. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind