Hi Marv: Firefox has been recommended to me by several other folks as well so I think I'm going to give it a try. The IE8 problem is that when I click on the VB.net Download link it just marks that module for download, then I select English as the language and either hit enter or just tab out of that box. Then almost immediately a yellow bar pops up saying something like the download is being blocked. If you are fast enough you can either navigate to that bar and right click it or hit alt+n. Then hit the space bar really quickly and a list of things you can do pops up. One option is to download the file. The problem is that since the download is being blocked nothing happens except that I am transferred to the Thank You page - nothing is actually downloaded and no Download popup comes up asking about where you want to download the file or anything, just transferred to the new page with nothing downloaded. Now, Windoweyes only has time to get to that Informatiion Bar after hitting alt+n and start trying to read it before the bar automatically goes away in about 1 or 2 seconds and the transfer to the next page automatically happens. It actually only got out one or 2 words of the blocked message on the Information bar before the transfer. So, unless JAWS reads the information bar without having to navigate to it and read it manually using the keyboard, jaws users would not know what is going on either. A couple of the guys have used Firefox to do the download and this is a good option as is using the links that Jamal provided in an earlier post - I did not try them. My thing is to make the standard Microsoft stuff work or try and find a work-around for it. That way new programmers will not have to go outside the native Microsoft Environment to do anything. Also, they will learn what to look for in the future if they run up against another Microsoft application that does the same things that the current problem does and have a work-around to try before loading up another third party module like Firefox. This problem could start happening in other Microsoft Products and in Websites that others who use Microsoft Products develop like banks or other necessary Companies Websites if they use that same technique. If I learn to work with that piece of carp now, and figure out and document the necessary work-around, I will be able to address it in the future without having to look up something from a third party vendor. But, Firefox is on my list of things to try out for sure. I think I might have to add the Microsoft Download page or perhaps the root Microsoft site to my Trusted Pages or whatever but I am only doing a very little every day concerning this issue. There are too many headaches and too much stress messing with accessibility problems. Later and see you on the flip side Marv: Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Marvin Hunkin To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:15 PM Subject: visual studio express install hi rick.w ell, there is another browser you could try and actually prefer this browser. mozilla firefox. and reads things a whole lot better then internet explorer explorer.a nd to get around the image capture there is a service called web visum. from http://www.webvisum.com you register and then get invited, and can download the add-on. very accessible.a nd when you encounter a image capture, you press the application key and arrow down to solve cpature.a nd then you wait 60 seconds, and then a message pops up saying your image capture is ready for pasting, and then you tab to the okay or submit, and wellah, no more annoying audio capture, to listen to.a nd found that downloading the visual studio in fire fox 3.6 more easier,and can use the allow button, alt a, as the information bar in firefox. so give that a try. think it supports window-eyes from what i remember.s o give that a try. cheers Marvin. ps: could steffic contact me off list and e-mail me. lost his e-mail address and the link to his site. it would be cool if he did a pod cast of the new hop language version 2.0. it would give me, a newbie to netbeans, an idea of what it is all about.