Hi. tried that suggestion, that infane suggested, was to rename the file form vb with a txt extension. it loaded it into the ide, but would not compile. okay, looks like just have to rebuild all the applications, and then just copy the code into the click events. thanks for your help any way. did contact microsoft australia, and see what they have to say, but not holding my breath. cheers Marvin. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind