RE: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:38:05 -0400
Hi Guys,
I'm going to grab a title and see how well I can make it work.
Jim
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Jim Homme
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"You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it" -- Jim Homme Sr.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:45 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
Jamal, I think w/these changes, Edsharp is now ready to be a valuable
bookshare tool. May I post this to the volunteer list? I've been
talking it up now for a few days, as so many people need this,
especially those who use openbook as their OCR program, & it's been
generating tremendous excitement & anticipation. But there are some
who don't have word as well who could benefit from this, & there are
some, like me, who find word so slow & clunky on their machines that
just want something lightweight, fast, & that works. W/your go-ahead,
I'll post.
Thank you for your responsiveness to the needs of bookshare
volunteers. Your work among & for the blind can only be called
exemplary.
On 8/3/09, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Jamal,
> My computer told me that I was going to get a version from May, but when I
> got the new version, the documentation said it was the one from today.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
>
> ----------
> Jim Homme
> Usability Services
> 412-544-1810
> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> "You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it" -- Jim Homme
> Sr.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:10 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
>
> Thanks for more info and ideas, folks. I just posted an August 3
> version with the following changes.
>
> EdSharp now makes the calculation for the HardPageAddress setting using
> only a form feed character, rather than a form feed and line feed
> sequence. This means, for example, that if you press Control+Enter, the
> status line address will say Line 2 of the new page, since this command
> inserts a form feed and line feed after a line of dashes. That section
> break sequence, however, is configurable in the Alt+Shift+C dialog.
>
> Another relevant configuration setting is NavigatePart, which now
> defaults to a single form feed character. That enables Alt+PageDown and
> Alt+PageUp to move by page with default settings.
>
> The number of form feeds in a document (or any other string) may be
> counted with the Yield with Regular Expression command, Control+Shift+Y
> (e.g., use \f as the string).
>
> If the HardPageAddress setting is on, EdSharp now also speaks certain
> white space characters when the cursor lands there. Specifically, it
> will say FormFeed, LineFeed, or TabChar accordingly. In order to
> prevent JAWS saying "blank" before one of these announcements, I
> modified the JAWS scripts for EdSharp, so make sure to choose the
> installer option to install the scripts as well. In the JSX Installer
> dialog, you can normally just press Enter to accept the defaults.
>
> Note that there is not a way to directly insert certain characters like
> Tab with a single key, since Tab is used for the indent command, which
> depends on the IndentUnit setting. You can use the Insert Special
> Character command, however, using F2, which allows you to insert a
> character via either its decimal or Unicode value. You can also use
> Control+R or Control+Shift+R to replace characters with others, e.g.,
> specifying \f, \n, or \t in the search or replace fields.
>
> Let me know how well these changes work.
>
> Jamal
>
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Jackie
> McBride wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:33:02 -0700
>> From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
>>
>> Jamal, here's what we're up against:
>> a) The page number of the book should correspond to that of word
>> whether a line feed follows or not. In fact, 1 of the criteria is that
>> a page break should be followed by a line feed, but, sometimes, either
>> because of accidental deletion, incorrect OCR settings, etc., it
>> doesn't happen.
>> b) It'd actually be nice if a list of such malformed page numbers
>> could be generated for easier fixing, but that, of course, would take
>> a lot of time. What we really need is an accurate count of form feeds,
>> &, very preferrably, the display of line feeds, tabs, & especially
>> form feeds so that Jaws could announce the page break as it's
>> encountered.
>>
>> On 8/1/09, The Elf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Jamal, you seem to have found information that allows you to interlink
>> > aspects of word to your editors, mayhap there might be something in that
>> > information that would assist you in the process of detecting and
>> > displaying/indicating these parts of the documents, word was mentioned
>> > due
>> > to its having these specific abilities readily available for displaying
>> > in
>> > its options/view tab, each having a check box plus one for displaying
>> > "all".
>> >
>> > HTH,
>> > inthane
>> > proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>> > for blind computer users and programmers
>> > http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
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>> > "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
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>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <Jamal.Mazrui@xxxxxxx>
>> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:36 AM
>> > Subject: RE: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Jackie,
>> > I am having an issue I need to resolve with my empower@xxxxxxxxx
>> > account, from which I would normally discuss such issues, but I wanted
>> > to get back to you.
>> >
>> > I have not figured out how to make white space characters spoken when
>> > cursoring through text, though do not know how much of the problem is
>> > due to the screen reader and might be solved with a configuration
>> > dictionary. EdSharp uses the RichTextBox control of the .NET Framework,
>> > so if anyone else discovers some relevant setting, please let me know.
>> >
>> > Today I posted an update to EdSharp with a new configuration option
>> > called HardPage Address (Alt+H in the Alt+Shift+C dialog). If set to Y,
>> > the status line will display the page, line, and column of the cursor,
>> > rather than the default of the line, column, and percent position.
>> > Alt+A has also been enhanced so that it toggles between these two
>> > verbalizations of the address.
>> >
>> > Note that a hard page break in EdSharp is a form feed followed by a line
>> > feed, which Control+Enter inserts. Control+PageDown and Control+PageUp
>> > can be used to navigate among pages, which EdSharp also calls sections
>> > of a structured text document.
>> >
>> > My web site server may not be reflecting the correct date of the latest
>> > EdSharp, but you can still use the Elevate command (F11) and answer yes
>> > to the update prompt.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps, and let me know if other enhancements could further
>> > assist BookShare volunteers.
>> >
>> > Jamal
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
>> > McBride
>> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:48 AM
>> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: Re: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
>> >
>> > & this is *precisely* why I put it out on list instead of a private
>> > email. Truth be told, I'd use it in a new york heartbeat over Microsoft
>> > word, which I consider to be both a resource hog & seriously bloated, as
>> > well as a possible security threat w/its potential for macro viruses,
>> > etc. I should just pour thru Jamal's source code & see if I could change
>> > the relevant parts myself, but picking thru some1 else's code can take a
>> > huge amount of time, so, being busy (never mind lazy), I just figured
>> > I'd ask the guru himself.
>> >
>> > On 7/31/09, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I would certainly be one who would use it for that purpose. One reason
>> >
>> >> is because it has such wonderful text manipulation facilities.
>> >>
>> >> Jim
>> >>
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>> >> Jim Homme
>> >> Usability Services
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>> >> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> >> "You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it" -- Jim
>> >> Homme Sr.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
>> >> McBride
>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:14 PM
>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
>> >>
>> >> Jamal:
>> >>
>> >> Is there any way that EdSharp can be made to display nonprinting
>> >> characters, specifically tabs, page breaks, paragraph marks, etc., in
>> >> RTF files, & is there any way it can display page numbers in the
>> >> status line if so requested.
>> >>
>> >> It does a good job on rtf files, & I think a lot of folks who
>> >> volunteer for Bookshare would like to use it as an editor to proofread
>> >
>> >> books, either because they don't have word or because word is simply
>> >> such a resource hog! I know you're familiar w/bookshare & the work the
>> >
>> >> volunteers of the organization do in order to get books into the
>> >> collection. I realize EdSharp is rather a programming editor but I
>> >> think it could really shine proofing Bookshare materials as well, if
>> >> we could get page numbering displayed.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any info.
>> >>
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