RE: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:21:35 -0400
Hi Jamal,
My computer told me that I was going to get a version from May, but when I got
the new version, the documentation said it was the one from today.
Thanks.
Jim
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Jim Homme
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:10 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
Thanks for more info and ideas, folks. I just posted an August 3
version with the following changes.
EdSharp now makes the calculation for the HardPageAddress setting using
only a form feed character, rather than a form feed and line feed
sequence. This means, for example, that if you press Control+Enter, the
status line address will say Line 2 of the new page, since this command
inserts a form feed and line feed after a line of dashes. That section
break sequence, however, is configurable in the Alt+Shift+C dialog.
Another relevant configuration setting is NavigatePart, which now
defaults to a single form feed character. That enables Alt+PageDown and
Alt+PageUp to move by page with default settings.
The number of form feeds in a document (or any other string) may be
counted with the Yield with Regular Expression command, Control+Shift+Y
(e.g., use \f as the string).
If the HardPageAddress setting is on, EdSharp now also speaks certain
white space characters when the cursor lands there. Specifically, it
will say FormFeed, LineFeed, or TabChar accordingly. In order to
prevent JAWS saying "blank" before one of these announcements, I
modified the JAWS scripts for EdSharp, so make sure to choose the
installer option to install the scripts as well. In the JSX Installer
dialog, you can normally just press Enter to accept the defaults.
Note that there is not a way to directly insert certain characters like
Tab with a single key, since Tab is used for the indent command, which
depends on the IndentUnit setting. You can use the Insert Special
Character command, however, using F2, which allows you to insert a
character via either its decimal or Unicode value. You can also use
Control+R or Control+Shift+R to replace characters with others, e.g.,
specifying \f, \n, or \t in the search or replace fields.
Let me know how well these changes work.
Jamal
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Jackie
McBride wrote:
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:33:02 -0700
> From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
>
> Jamal, here's what we're up against:
> a) The page number of the book should correspond to that of word
> whether a line feed follows or not. In fact, 1 of the criteria is that
> a page break should be followed by a line feed, but, sometimes, either
> because of accidental deletion, incorrect OCR settings, etc., it
> doesn't happen.
> b) It'd actually be nice if a list of such malformed page numbers
> could be generated for easier fixing, but that, of course, would take
> a lot of time. What we really need is an accurate count of form feeds,
> &, very preferrably, the display of line feeds, tabs, & especially
> form feeds so that Jaws could announce the page break as it's
> encountered.
>
> On 8/1/09, The Elf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Jamal, you seem to have found information that allows you to interlink
> > aspects of word to your editors, mayhap there might be something in that
> > information that would assist you in the process of detecting and
> > displaying/indicating these parts of the documents, word was mentioned due
> > to its having these specific abilities readily available for displaying in
> > its options/view tab, each having a check box plus one for displaying "all".
> >
> > HTH,
> > inthane
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <Jamal.Mazrui@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:36 AM
> > Subject: RE: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
> >
> >
> > Hi Jackie,
> > I am having an issue I need to resolve with my empower@xxxxxxxxx
> > account, from which I would normally discuss such issues, but I wanted
> > to get back to you.
> >
> > I have not figured out how to make white space characters spoken when
> > cursoring through text, though do not know how much of the problem is
> > due to the screen reader and might be solved with a configuration
> > dictionary. EdSharp uses the RichTextBox control of the .NET Framework,
> > so if anyone else discovers some relevant setting, please let me know.
> >
> > Today I posted an update to EdSharp with a new configuration option
> > called HardPage Address (Alt+H in the Alt+Shift+C dialog). If set to Y,
> > the status line will display the page, line, and column of the cursor,
> > rather than the default of the line, column, and percent position.
> > Alt+A has also been enhanced so that it toggles between these two
> > verbalizations of the address.
> >
> > Note that a hard page break in EdSharp is a form feed followed by a line
> > feed, which Control+Enter inserts. Control+PageDown and Control+PageUp
> > can be used to navigate among pages, which EdSharp also calls sections
> > of a structured text document.
> >
> > My web site server may not be reflecting the correct date of the latest
> > EdSharp, but you can still use the Elevate command (F11) and answer yes
> > to the update prompt.
> >
> > Hope this helps, and let me know if other enhancements could further
> > assist BookShare volunteers.
> >
> > Jamal
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
> > McBride
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:48 AM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
> >
> > & this is *precisely* why I put it out on list instead of a private
> > email. Truth be told, I'd use it in a new york heartbeat over Microsoft
> > word, which I consider to be both a resource hog & seriously bloated, as
> > well as a possible security threat w/its potential for macro viruses,
> > etc. I should just pour thru Jamal's source code & see if I could change
> > the relevant parts myself, but picking thru some1 else's code can take a
> > huge amount of time, so, being busy (never mind lazy), I just figured
> > I'd ask the guru himself.
> >
> > On 7/31/09, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I would certainly be one who would use it for that purpose. One reason
> >
> >> is because it has such wonderful text manipulation facilities.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> ----------
> >> Jim Homme
> >> Usability Services
> >> 412-544-1810
> >> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> "You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it" -- Jim
> >> Homme Sr.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
> >> McBride
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:14 PM
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: to Jamal--EdSharp & nonprinting characters
> >>
> >> Jamal:
> >>
> >> Is there any way that EdSharp can be made to display nonprinting
> >> characters, specifically tabs, page breaks, paragraph marks, etc., in
> >> RTF files, & is there any way it can display page numbers in the
> >> status line if so requested.
> >>
> >> It does a good job on rtf files, & I think a lot of folks who
> >> volunteer for Bookshare would like to use it as an editor to proofread
> >
> >> books, either because they don't have word or because word is simply
> >> such a resource hog! I know you're familiar w/bookshare & the work the
> >
> >> volunteers of the organization do in order to get books into the
> >> collection. I realize EdSharp is rather a programming editor but I
> >> think it could really shine proofing Bookshare materials as well, if
> >> we could get page numbering displayed.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any info.
> >>
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