Re: server side programming with VS.net, Office...

  • From: "Richard Thomas" <rthomas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:30:01 -0400

Happy Sundy Teddy:
MS does allot of JavaScript creation for it's various functions and tools from VWD as far as I can tell so far. The 2005 version of VWD Express uses tables to format thingys but there is a free tool to make the generated code more CSS friendly. This package is suppose to allow you to change what MS generates for any controls so you can tweak the generated html and JavaScript output to your page the way you like. I would guess they will include the Css Friendly Control package in newer releases like the 2008 Studio. Actually, the use of JavaScript and the Server-Side Controls is a little confusing at first but it's all logical it seems so far. I'm learning JavaScript, just did a Hello World script and digging into some more complex JavaScript to set focus on a ServerSide auto-populated TreeView SelectedNode within a Wizard Control. I have commited to doing everything using MS Products to become experienced in it's language features, VWD, Vb.net and Sql Server, and the necessary IDE work-arounds for blind folks. If I can help with anything just pop me a line and I'll dig up a snipet if I have one or let you know of how I do some things. I use Windoweyes which is not nearly as feature rich as the guys JAWS Scripts so I might not be much help navigating with JAWS but am getting to know my way around the IDE some even with the lack of some accessibility due to using Windoweyes. Well, I'll sign off for now but pop up any questions and I'll see what I have on them.
Rick Farmington Mich. USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: server side programming with VS.net, Office...


That's good news.

Can you tell me if we can choose how the HTML code is done in VS.net or VWD? I am asking this because I have seen some web pages made with asp.net where the links don't have a real URL in the href atribute but Javascript code everywhere, and I want to make sites W3C compliant which is friendly for the blind.

Maybe all the links are generated manually and the programmer can choose how they look like, but maybe some .net objects create automaticly a bad code which is based on Javascript.

Ideally, I want to be able to create a site with asp.net that contains forms, tables with table heads as links used for sorting the table rows, Javascript -based menus or tree views, but the entire site including the Javascript-based menus should be accessible for the blind even with a browser without javascript deactivated.

As an example, the site of the company I work for uses a javascript-based menu that looks like a list of lists with links for a blind, and it looks the same even if the browser doesn't support Javascript.

I told these just to let you know what I need to do.
Could these be made with .net controls, or if I want to do this in asp.net I would need to type the entire html code and javascript code manually?

Thank you.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Thomas" <rthomas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: server side programming with VS.net, Office...


Hi Teddy:
I find VWD at least as accessible as Vb.net Express. I don't use the Forms Designer in either IDE very much because it does not work well with WindowEyes but the JAWS guys and scripts should make it much better. I've found work-arounds for working with several controls, ie the DropDown list, ListBox, TreeView, Wizard Panels and Views etc... Most everything works once you figure out the Event Sequences for the controls and the various Binding and Source events. I do most of my work during raw development of code using a text editor to avoid the constant Warning messeges that pop up but do most code modifications and syntax debugging in the various code editors. The only other problem, for me, is that if I bring up the Properties Window from within the Vb Code editor the Events Button on the Tool Bar is not there, or does not read. This has forced me to go to the Forms Designer, hunt around for the desired control and then bring up the Properties Window using the Context Menu after the right mouse click to bring up the Context Menu for the control. Likely I need to label a graphic or something and this is not likely the case using JAWS. Otherwise, I have managed to make mose everything else work except some of the really heav graphicals like the Table Designer but I use other methods so that's not a real problem.

Rick Farmington Mich. USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: server side programming with VS.net, Office...


That's good to know, but I heard that Visual Web ... thing (I don't like nor remember that name) of that program is not accessible, and I thought it is the part that allows creating Web Forms exactly like creating Win Forms in VS.net.

It is good to know that designer from VS.net is also accessible.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: server side programming with VS.net, Office...


it is not true,
in the html designer you can always go in the properties windows and see what is happening on your webpage regarding the office tools there are just components so you can use them like any other control.
Me personaly am creating webpages using aspnet 2.0

----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: server side programming with VS.net, Office...


Hi,

If you know, please make some light for me a little regarding 2 things:

I heard that VS.net 2005 it is not accessible for the blind to create web applications.... or that part of the Dot net which is used for creating WebForms is not accessible. If it is not, how hard is to create the .net applications for the web in other ways? (manually)?
Is it possible?

The second question is regarding VS.net 2005 Tools for Office. Does anyone know if it is accessible for us to create programs that use VS.net Tools for Office, with webServices that access a remote server side program?

Thanks for any information.

Octavian

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