Re: protecting streaming mp3 files with

  • From: "Bryan Garaventa" <bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 00:49:40 -0700

I guess the lesson is, there will always be someone who has the technical ability to do these things, and providers simply have to accommodate for this eventuality in their business models. Stores such as Target, Wallmart, etc. do by anticipating that a certain percentage of their revenue will be lost to thieves each year, so they build this into their revenue predictions. However, they go under the assumption that not everyone is savvy enough, technical enough (as the case may be), or dishonest enough to steal from them all of the time, so the model works.

The case is obviously different for information technology, but the basic principles remain the same. Most people will simply not be able to, unwilling to, or be too lazy to go through all of the hoops necessary to accomplish the task of ripping off the service provider. Even if, a small percentage of such users end up doing so.

If the model is sound, it should work anyway. Especially if the entire product is not put at jeopardy.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Hardy" <graham.hardy@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: protecting streaming mp3 files with

Nice try, but a user who is crafty enough, and who wants to capture the
recording badly enough, could just as easily have the output of the sound
card directed to another sound card, or, for that matter, to a digital
recorder. And Andy, I'm sorry I brought this up; I didn't realise that this
was music, nor that it came from an independent band, facts which make
perfect sense to make you leary about allowing people access to them. The
internet, and technology, has many ways for security, but just as many of
breaking them, which is quite regrettable, but it cannot be ignored. This
might, as some have suggested, be a good opportunity for a different
strategy, of the form, "Here's a demo song; go and share it with as many
people as you can, and just tell them to look for our CD coming out this
spring." This way, by actually encouraging people to share your music,
though it might seem rather foolish to a new, unheard-of band, actually
makes sense in the longrun, because it means that you'll get incredible
exposure to an audience who WILL be looking forward to the album's release.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brent Harding
Sent: October 31, 2007 9:48 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: protecting streaming mp3 files with

The other thing I thought of, and I'm sure it's impossible to license, is
that Bluebeat player. Obviously there is no protection that is 100 percent.
Some how it is able to make it so that if you start to record, the music
doesn't get into the recording. At one time awhile back, it used to stop
playback too. I think it worked even if you started recording from the mic
or any line on the sound card at all.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Dunleavy" <jim.dunleavy@xxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: protecting streaming mp3 files with

Hi Teddy,

The BBC's web-based radio player is quite accessible.
You can try it at,
pick a channel, select the "listen again" link, select a radio program.
That player streams realplayer audio but bypassing the player and ripping
the stream to your hard drive is trivial, so it's no protection against
downloading but only gives a fig-leaf of protection and raises your
implementation costs.


----- Original Message -----
From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: protecting streaming mp3 files with

I think this has no copyright relations. Copyright is something enforced
law while this type of protection is a technical protection.

The persons that need to use this type of protection usually care more
money than about accessibility for the blind or about usability and their
first goal is to force the listeners visit their site and watch their
advertising and not to make the sound as friendly and easy to listen as

They are not bad. They are just trying to earn money like everybody else.

If a sound is protected by copyright only, and let's say that certain
is free to listen just once then it requires payment, then that sound can
put as a simple free file anywhere on the web. If the visitors will
the law, then they will download the file, listen it with Winamp or
something else, then they would delete it if they don't want to pay.
If the visitors don't respect the law, it is not nice to skip the law and
make your own police, a technical police in this case, but... it works
way, so nobody cares about those who have accessibility problems.

Or by the way, because I might not know too much about those web-based
players, is there such a web based media player that can allow a blind
person using Jaws to fast forward or rewind, or stop, pause and restart
sound again?


----- Original Message -----
From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:17 PM
Subject: RE: protecting streaming mp3 files with

> Hi,
> There could be a copyright issue with this.
> Jim
> James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
> "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change
> world.  Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
>             "Graham Hardy"
>             <graham.hardy@gma
>   >
>             Sent by:                  programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>             programmingblind-
>             bounce@freelists.
>             org
>                                       RE: protecting streaming mp3
> files
>                                       with
>             10/30/2007 03:10
>             PM
>             Please respond to
>             programmingblind@
> Hi Andy - Why would you want to do this? From a usability point of
> view,
> it
> isn't always pleasant to have to sit in front of a computer to listen
> to
> files; I would much prefer to listen to them on another device. > Indeed,
> find that I almost never make use of streams that cannot be > downloaded,
> it is likely to repel some of your visitors. Of course, it depends on
> actual content: for instance, books must never be streamed (what if > you
> wanted to stop halfway and then resume a few days later?), whereas
> music
> seems more workable this way, as does live content. -Graham.
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy B
> Sent: October 30, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: protecting streaming mp3 files with
> Hi...
> I have to stream mp3 files from an 2.0 website. I am trying to
> figure out how you can let any visiter to the site play them but not
> download them. Most of the examples out there show how in flash, but > is
> there another way?
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