Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists

  • From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:00:00 -0600

I don't care what happens, but I'd like to see -this- resource put on Jamal's site, or under the care of someone who won't destroy it when something doesn't go his way.

On 9/2/2011 4:37 PM, inthane wrote:
well, it's somewhat academic now so...
though some expansion might be handy and useful
and a note on what trouble said about the old blind programming website, I would have acquired and reinstated it for us, but the name was bought by one of those "buy them all and sell them at resounding prices" sites and the dude wants 3000 dollars for the name*sigh* as much as I would like to, I can't afford that, if I win the lotto then... but until and unless, poof! hmmm what would folks like to see added, facebook, twitter? a weblog, RSS? what?
and yes, I have had my posting rights restored, I will be restoring the grab bag site, I actually took it down in anger more on the actions of a person, then to the lists proposed changes, I was cooling down about that
anyway onward and upward we still have our list!
take care,
"do not mess in the affairs of dragons!
for you are crunchy, and go good with barbecue sauce!"
    - Draconous Cerulean

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* BRENT NEAL <mailto:bneal@xxxxxxxx>
    *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 4:31 PM
    *Subject:* RE: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists

    I agree.
I can get to my email quickly and it takes less time to go to it. I check email often in my work anyway.

    Brent Neal
    140 E 300 S
    Salt Lake City, UT 84111
    Phone:  801.526.9797
    Email: bneal@xxxxxxxx <mailto:bneal@xxxxxxxx>
    >>> "Michael Malver" <mmalver@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:mmalver@xxxxxxxxx>> 9/1/2011 3:52 PM >>>

    Believe it or not, I like e-mail as it gives me a way to quickly
    archive conversations I'm interested in. I can simply pull up a
    folder. If I had to use a website, there would probably be some
    searching involved. Just my $.02

    [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
    *Jared Wright
    *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:59 PM
    *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    *Subject:* Re: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists

    I agree, this is unsettling.

    I don't know if there'd be any desire for this, but does anyone
    else feel that the mailing list is sort of... well... 1999ish in
    its execution? We all want to be able to discuss a wide plethora
    of programming topics. But plenty of people don't want to wade
    through a high traffic list. There are more evolved community
    formats now, from Facebook groups and Google+ circles to full
    forum/wiki/community blog implementations that could be hosted on
    a dedicated server. It'd allow for people to filter the discussion
    they're interested in while not having to restrict topics people
    can discuss, as seems to be the Catch 22 Program-L is fighting
    with right now. I won't set it all up on my own. I don't care
    enough, straight and simple. But maybe if I'm not running the
    whole show by myself this is something that could be given some
    brainstorming? It won't work though unless it has at least the
    beginnings of a community willing to give it a go, and we seem
    pretty entrenched for some reason in the old EMail listserv.
    On 9/1/2011 4:22 PM, Michael Malver wrote:

    If this is true, and java is off topic, then I am totally and
    completely against the merge. I’ll be damned if I’m going to join
    a second e-mail list when the point of merging in the first place
    was to minimize the number of lists a person would have to
    subscribe to.

    If this is true, I hope someone will create a third list where all
    things programming can be discussed freely. When that happens,
    hopefully everyone will join it.

    Here’s hoping the message to which I am replying is just someone
    thinking out loud and not actually policy.

    [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
    *Littlefield, Tyler
    *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 3:11 PM
    *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    *Subject:* Fwd: [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming

    This just came through, for those of you who aren't on the
    program-l list. I know it's past the due date for our input, but I
    have a couple of issues, both of which I voiced.
    First, I'm kind of lost as to why Java isn't aloud to be discussed
    because it's "specialized." Sure there's another list for that,
    but if we're going to have "specialized" lists, why are we merging
    in the first place?
    Does this mean that sodbeans discussion is out? I've kind of
    followed along with that, though I haven't played with it to much.
    Second, I'm still curious why this is so hush-hush. I guess I'm
    worried that we're going to get forced into a list that is not
    going to allow some of what we have here. Sure some of it can be
    cleaned up, and George is the one to do that; he's an adept
    moderator, but It almost sounds like the volume of messages is
    going to be strictly controled for some reason.

    -------- Original Message --------

    *Subject: *


    [program-l] Re: views on merging two programming lists

    *Date: *


    Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:02:50 +0100

    *From: *


    George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

    *Reply-To: *


    program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

    *To: *


    <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

    There's always a leak somewhere before things can be properly

    announced, isn't there?  However, it won't happen until 1st October.

    Yes indeed the two specialist lists are to merge.  Or rather, they

    will be merged into ours.  It was either that, or the other list could

    possibly be closed down.

    I have no doubt that it will initially swell the number of daily

    messages, but I'm hoping that with some appropriate moderation, things

    will keep on topic.  If not, my steel ruler will be out rather


    Needless to say JAVA will be considered off-topic as we have a list

    for that (program-java), and if the need arises for other specialist

    areas, I will have no hesitation in starting an appropriate list.

    Sorry you all had to find out via the jungle drums, but please stick

    with us.  This has been a very professional list to date, and

    hopefully long may it continue that way.

    All the best,

    George Bell

    Moderator and list owner.

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