Ken,It's more just knowing how to do it and understanding how to do it, or how it works. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: RE: .net:code obviscation
Well I still stand by if it is something you can do it is something that canbe undone if you have the time the money and the will power. Now the whole thing is though is your code that important. I mean unlessyou are writing something for the NSA what is there worth protecting to thatlevel. Not even companies like Blizzard with a following of millionsworries about it to that level because they know they have the market and it will take more than a decompiler to over take them. Same goes for a little coder who makes software for the blind there is a balance to be made betweensecurity and difficulty in making that security. I secure my commercialsoftware pretty well as Sina knows because I had him try to break it at one time. He of course didn't have the time to do it but I am betting some wellplaced 13 year old could do it if they had a good bag of chips and atransformer movie to watch to keep his mind busy while working on the small task of my security I wrote. So just remember locks and security are in theworld to keep honest people honest. The people who want to get in will no matter what you do. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:03 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: .net:code obviscationEverything Ken said is practically true; however, there are very complicatedways of actually getting around this. Technically, you can use techniques such as address space layout randomization, jump tables, and so on which will virtually, 100%, fool anything out there. Some of the approaches are dangerously close to some of the research I'm doing, so I can't talk about them, but it is technically possible to fool every single decompiler out there. Take care, Sina ________________________________ From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:11 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: .net:code obviscation Sorry to say but no matter how much you would rather it not be possible it is. It doesn't matter if you compile a c++ program or write something inAsm. There are programs that can decompile code and some that do it rather well. Remember though this is not a easy thing to do and if they are goingto use tools like this they can hack things by hand just the same. You can do things like encrypt your data that helps but if a person is determined enough they can break almost any security and uncompile almost any language.The best defense against someone hacking or copying your code. is either to Open source it and put a good license on it or to charge a decent price forit. You don't see people trying to rip companies off that sell their product at a decent cost. Ken Littlefield Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 3:01 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: .net:code obviscation Hello,I was wondering how you might obviscate code in .net. I know that there areprograms out there like reflector that will disassemble it for you and I'd rather not have that happen. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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