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- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:40:10 -0400
Hi Laura,
ESpeak is written in C or C++. Maybe you can help it talk better.
Jim
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:11 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
I agree--I tried NVDA and found it a lot more functional than I expected,
and its view of the UI and navigation commands are easier to use IMO, and a
lot more logical. The only thing that tripped me up last time I used it was
the fact that it uses espeak instead of eloquence, which I'm used to, and
the espeak voice was not as clear to my ear. Also, when I tried to do a say
character twice rapidly, which in jaws speaks the phonetic word starting
with that letter, NVDA just spoke the ascii value. I complained about this
on the NVDA list as I think being able to hear the output is important
without memorizing the ascii equivalent of everything. But all in all I
think I prefer NVDA for many operations over jaws. It's not there yet, but
for free software it seems to be a nice little package.
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
NVDA actually has quite a few of the same keystrokes/shortcuts as jaws, but
it also has a few that I sometimes wish jaws has, like the ones that let you
a bit more easily navigate parent/child controls, etc.
My main use of NVDA is either as backup, or for different languages, but I
also keep the portable version on my flash drives since it means I can quite
easily work on other people's machines without any software installation.
In other words, while I need/use jaws for lots of work tasks etc., NVDA is
definitely my second best choice, and it's getting better all the time - and
it's _free_.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lafond, Eileen" <Eileen.Lafond@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
> So what you are saying is that it will not have it's own shortcuts as JAWS
> has mainly with the num pad, or maybe fewer short cuts.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude
> T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:51 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
> Importance: Low
>
> Probably more efficient since it hasn't got the huge command set jaws has
> got. That means though you need to do more with windows keyboard
> shortcuts though.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lafond, Eileen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 13:47
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>
> Hi,
> Does anyone know how efficient NVDA actually is as a screen reader?
>
> Eileen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of demir
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:26 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>
> Very cool stuff:)
> Jaws is Woldemort, Nvda is Harry:)
>
> Demir Ajvazi
> Msn:
> demir_zmaj@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Skype:
> demir-2007
>
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> From: "Kerneels Roos" <kerneels@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>
>
>> 100 points for that one!!! Ha ha ha he he he ha ha ha!!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On 10/13/2010 8:35 AM, Hrvoje Katić wrote:
>>> HaHaHa that is awesome!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Hrvoje
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>>>
>>> On 13.10.2010 1:42, qubit wrote:
>>>> For anyone who hasn't heard this one already, here's for your
>>>> amusement:
>>>>
>>>> http://goo.gl/nAOM
>>>>
>>>> --le
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- From: "Rasmussen, Lloyd" <lras@xxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:13:29 -0400
Window-Eyes 7.2 with Eloquence also locks up on "the word which shall not be
spoken". I have not tried entering it into a user dictionary, but this should
work. Someone has also written an Eloquence script which perhaps covers this
case; I haven't tried it out.
Older versions of Window-Eyes had an unlocked version of SAPI 4 Eloquence, so
they should also work with NVDA.
Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
Library of Congress 202-707-0535
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:26 AM
To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
Hi -- to guard against this word, I added an entry for the word in the jaws
default dictionary. It is possible to do this without locking up if you are
careful and don't do a sayline as you are typing the entry. Go to the
dictionary manager with insert+d, type control+shift+d to get to the global
dictionary, press the add button and follow the prompts. I put there an entry
with the word as the dictionary and the replacement string as a jaws sound
effect followed by the offending word broken into syllables.
This completely solves the problem -- well, there is one catch: if you enter
the dictionary and arrow down through the entries, jaws will try to speak the
word untranslated, so be sure to avoid doing this without changing synthesizers
in jaws first.
I am running jaws 11.0.1461 on XP pro.
You should avoid putting the word in emails for the sake of those who haven't
gotten jaws shielded from it.
Again, the problem is not jaws, it is eloquence. In fact, I run talks with
eloquence on my cell phone, and talks locks up on that word to the point that I
need to reboot the phone to get back to a workable state.
Happy hacking.
--le
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