Re: linux screen readers

  • From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:02:11 -0700

for god's sake chill out, oh frack it, speech is making noise dude, I don't propose we go in swinging literally, but if they get enough requests, then they might become aware that there is a need, due to all the "noise" about it, sigh, my methodology is not quite as aggressive as it may sound, and it works quite well in the real world.


can't anyone take something with a grain of salt as it used to be said anymore!

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers


No, No, No, this is absolutely not the approach to take. This silly approach will absolutely not work to our benefit. This is completely convoluted and very stupid logic to want to start "beating" people once they don't do what you want. Remember, we need something from them, and they need nothing from us, so it behooves us to kindly, very kindly request an ear for a few minutes in order to explain our plight. You must exhaust all resources before getting aggressive. What if after a kind request the other party agrees and begins to help? then all is well and we benefit immensely. On the other hand, what if you start doing stupid things such as getting very aggressive and threatening at the offset then demand help? The other party will not only not want to help you, but they will have a very incorrect view of you and who you represent. Yes, the squeaky gear might get the oil, but we're not talking mechanics here, we're talking human interactions.

Gees,

Matthew
---- Original Message ----- From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers


then it sounds like its time for those who are interested to go beat the orca developers vigorously about the head and shoulders with there canes until they give the needed information, eh?

smile, I have found quite often that the old saying "the squeaky gear gets the oil" is very true

I'll even join in some, since I will undoubtedly need some of this knowledge somewhere along the line, though the need hasn't come up yet.

take care,
inthane
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: linux screen readers


From what I have seen there're no lists for orca scripting, nor
documentation available for it. I do think we should have this list,
as we should perhaps have a nvda scripting list, sinse this reader is
going really fast in its developement.
I guess, however, I can not help writting tutorials about how to
script orca, because I even haven't found an explanation about how is
the window structure in gnome apps (e.e if there are handles, control
ids and the like). This is what I miss, it wouldn't make seense to try
to make an app accessible without knowing first what we have in hands
to do that.
Marlon

2007/9/12, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>:
I definately have the impression that Orca and GUI access on Linux have
made major strides in progress this past year, so would encourage anyone
interested to check out this platform.  Sun, IBM, and Google, among
others, are committed to Linux and have shown genuine interest in
accessibility.  I think they would welcome feedback from blind people
doing GUI application development in that area.

Does anyone here happen to know if there is a scripting list for Orca, and
if so, how to subscribe?

Jamal

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