RE: jaws9 beta

  • From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:23:13 -0400

Hi,
That points thing is lame. I am going to change that when I get the chance.
I admit that I need to be a bit more down the middle rather than either
letting everything or nothing go. Sorry folks.

Jim
James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810

"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to
wait until I think I
can do it just right."
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Well the only way to stop inflammatory posts is to change a list to fully
moderated.  We all slip up and get pissed  from time to time.  Maybe its
just the moderators turn to get ticked off and over react.  When I last
read
the rules there was something about points and it was working I even got a
point taken and after that I shut up.  Did Sina get all 3 points wiped off
his map in one shot.  Yes I know Sina can be inflammatory at time but he
sure they hell hasn't been as bad as at least 3 I can think of off the top
of my head and he has definitely helped more then those same three.  I
guess
the moderator feels that the more intelligent posters should be punished
but
the less should be left because they don't know any better.  I find it
interesting that this is the main bit of posting lately maybe that is
because the list is already dyeing.

Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthaneelf
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:30 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta

not! quite! since he suspended Sina...

inthane
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jaffar" <jaffar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


> and yea to that jim.  Cheers!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:28 PM
> Subject: RE: jaws9 beta
>
>
> Or until I get them or you. Unless I appoint a moderator, we only have
one
> here.
>
> Jim
>
> James D Homme,
> Usability Engineering
> Highmark Inc.
> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> 412-544-1810
>
> "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to
> wait until I think I
> can do it just right."
>
>
>
>
>             "Sina Bahram"
>             <sbahram@xxxxxxxx
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> That Sina poster was me, and I'm doing it again, until folks get it.
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew2007
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>
> Very good point, but you're venturing into the venue of the JFW list
> rather
> than this programming list. Furthermore that sonia poster has already
> posted
> the necessary info to send jaws bugs a couple of days ago.
>
> Matthew
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>
>
>> How about so others here can duplicate problems so more of us can report
>> bugs to FS so they can be fixed?
>>
>> Rick
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>
>>
>> This below is an example of why it would not be a good idea for this
list
>
>> to
>> allow any discussion regarding jaws 9. People conveying their problems
>> with
>> the beta will serve absolutely no purpose as nothing can be done by any
> of
>> us and the final release could be a very different monster. Why spend so
>> much time and effort discussing a work in progress? Its completely
>> redundant
>> work and effort.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matthew
>> ---- Original Message -----
>> From: <Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> One problm about jfw 9.0 I am really having trouble with is that when I
>>> have it first starting up when I boot my computer up, it doesn't tell
me
>>> when messages are unread in Outlook Express. I have to restart my JAWS
>>> 9.0
>>> to make it say the unread notification before it reads the message
>>> subject, and who it is from. It is wierd. Tell me what you guys think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tristan Bussiere
>>> Founder, ACE Games
>>> http://www.acegamesonline.net
>>>
>>> Skype: tristanbussiere
>>> MSN: Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>>
>>>
>>> totally agreed, reporting is great, anything else other than proposing
>>> fixes
>>> until FS gets to it, and I would say Pass those fixes to FS as well as
> us
>>> would be a good thing, but any more than that is bellyaching and I
agree
>>> that it should be cut off, smile
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> inthane
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>>> Links
>>> to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at:
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programming
>>> languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
>>> http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Saying what is wrong and confirming it among list members is fine.
Going
>>> on
>>> for days about it isn't. I will go that far and I feel that's OK.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> James D Homme,
>>> Usability Engineering
>>> Highmark Inc.
>>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> 412-544-1810
>>>
>>> "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is
to
>>> wait until I think I
>>> can do it just right."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             "Marlon Brandão
>>>             de Sousa"
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>>> Agree, specially in terms of related programming things such as how it
>>> works with vs and such.
>>> Marlon
>>>
>>> 2007/10/4, inthaneelf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> I hear what your saying Jim, but knowing what is "not quite right" in
>>>> the
>>> j9
>>>> beta would be helpful to the rest of us, eh?
>>>>
>>>> yes most definitely let if s know, but I would like to know as well,
>>> smile
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> inthane
>>>> . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and
>>> Links
>>>> to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me
at:
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> programming
>>>> languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
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>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:57 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> > I totally agree with this, and instead of complaining on this list,
>>> please
>>>> > constructively take the time to report issues to FS.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jim
>>>> >
>>>> > James D Homme,
>>>> > Usability Engineering
>>>> > Highmark Inc.
>>>> > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > 412-544-1810
>>>> >
>>>> > "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it
is
>>> to
>>>> > wait until I think I
>>>> > can do it just right."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >             "Sina Bahram"
>>>> >             <sbahram@xxxxxxxx
>>>> >             m>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I would urge all of you to report like crazy.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've already filed at least six bugs, if not more, and I am hoping
>>>> > that
>>> my
>>>> > experience with the .net bugs repeats itself and they fix these
>>>> > things.
>>>> >
>>>> > Obviously, don't make them frivolous, and try not to make them
> useless
>>> bug
>>>> > reports such as those that are the fault of a particular software
>>>> > application, instead of FS doing something wrong in jaws, but I hope
>>> they
>>>> > will take them to heart.
>>>> >
>>>> > the email address you should report to is:
>>>> >
>>>> > support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >
>>>> > I've been using the subject prefix of:
>>>> >
>>>> > jaws9 beta bug report
>>>> >
>>>> > followed by a colon followed by a space and then a short subject for
>>> the
>>>> > problem.
>>>> >
>>>> > It helps them a great deal if you include steps on how to reproduce
>>>> > the
>>>> > bug.
>>>> >
>>>> > Good luck all
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Take care,
>>>> > Sina
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