RE: jaws9 beta

  • From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:50:06 -0400

Hi,
I have no problem with pointing out the beta URL. I do have a problem with
public arguments that should be private. I do have a problem with people
clogging up the list with moderation type messages. I do have a problem
with people not caring about the spirit or intent of this list. I do have a
problem with flip, smart, disrespectful comments clogging up this list when
it could be used for more valuable things. Is that clear enough?

Jim

James D Homme,
Usability Engineering
Highmark Inc.
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
412-544-1810

"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to
wait until I think I
can do it just right."



                                                                       
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This is the first indication you have given that responding with a beta URL
is not wanted. Now, that I know this, I won't do it again.

I thought that would be preferable than having discussions about it.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 7:29 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: jaws9 beta

Or until I get them or you. Unless I appoint a moderator, we only have one
here.

Jim

James D Homme,
Usability Engineering
Highmark Inc.
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
412-544-1810

"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to
wait until I think I can do it just right."




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That Sina poster was me, and I'm doing it again, until folks get it.

Take care,
Sina


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew2007
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta

Very good point, but you're venturing into the venue of the JFW list rather
than this programming list. Furthermore that sonia poster has already
posted
the necessary info to send jaws bugs a couple of days ago.

Matthew
---- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: jaws9 beta


> How about so others here can duplicate problems so more of us can
> report bugs to FS so they can be fixed?
>
> Rick
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew2007" <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>
>
> This below is an example of why it would not be a good idea for this
> list

> to
> allow any discussion regarding jaws 9. People conveying their problems
> with the beta will serve absolutely no purpose as nothing can be done
> by any
of
> us and the final release could be a very different monster. Why spend
> so much time and effort discussing a work in progress? Its completely
> redundant work and effort.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matthew
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: <Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> One problm about jfw 9.0 I am really having trouble with is that when
>> I have it first starting up when I boot my computer up, it doesn't
>> tell me when messages are unread in Outlook Express. I have to
>> restart my JAWS 9.0 to make it say the unread notification before it
>> reads the message subject, and who it is from. It is wierd. Tell me
>> what you guys think.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tristan Bussiere
>> Founder, ACE Games
>> http://www.acegamesonline.net
>>
>> Skype: tristanbussiere
>> MSN: Tristan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>
>>
>> totally agreed, reporting is great, anything else other than
>> proposing fixes until FS gets to it, and I would say Pass those fixes
>> to FS as well as
us
>> would be a good thing, but any more than that is bellyaching and I
>> agree that it should be cut off, smile
>>
>> thanks,
>> inthane
>> . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and
>> Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications,
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>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>> . to be able to view a simple programming project in several
>> programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Saying what is wrong and confirming it among list members is fine.
>> Going on for days about it isn't. I will go that far and I feel
>> that's OK.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> James D Homme,
>> Usability Engineering
>> Highmark Inc.
>> james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> 412-544-1810
>>
>> "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is
>> to wait until I think I can do it just right."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>             "Marlon Brandão
>>             de Sousa"
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>> Agree, specially in terms of related programming things such as how
>> it works with vs and such.
>> Marlon
>>
>> 2007/10/4, inthaneelf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> I hear what your saying Jim, but knowing what is "not quite right"
>>> in the
>> j9
>>> beta would be helpful to the rest of us, eh?
>>>
>>> yes most definitely let if s know, but I would like to know as well,
>> smile
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> inthane
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>>> and
>> Links
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>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
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programming
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: jaws9 beta
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I totally agree with this, and instead of complaining on this
>>> > list,
>> please
>>> > constructively take the time to report issues to FS.
>>> >
>>> > Jim
>>> >
>>> > James D Homme,
>>> > Usability Engineering
>>> > Highmark Inc.
>>> > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > 412-544-1810
>>> >
>>> > "It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it
>>> > is
>> to
>>> > wait until I think I
>>> > can do it just right."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >             "Sina Bahram"
>>> >             <sbahram@xxxxxxxx
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>>> >             10/02/2007 08:28
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>>> >
>>> >             Please respond to
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I would urge all of you to report like crazy.
>>> >
>>> > I've already filed at least six bugs, if not more, and I am hoping
>>> > that
>> my
>>> > experience with the .net bugs repeats itself and they fix these
>>> > things.
>>> >
>>> > Obviously, don't make them frivolous, and try not to make them
useless
>> bug
>>> > reports such as those that are the fault of a particular software
>>> > application, instead of FS doing something wrong in jaws, but I
>>> > hope
>> they
>>> > will take them to heart.
>>> >
>>> > the email address you should report to is:
>>> >
>>> > support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > I've been using the subject prefix of:
>>> >
>>> > jaws9 beta bug report
>>> >
>>> > followed by a colon followed by a space and then a short subject
>>> > for
>> the
>>> > problem.
>>> >
>>> > It helps them a great deal if you include steps on how to
>>> > reproduce the bug.
>>> >
>>> > Good luck all
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Take care,
>>> > Sina
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