I have been checking this line in spot checks, and have two things to add with all this besides putting a third chip on the scales supporting what TY and Ken have said!
you will need a resume, and you need to make it as good as possible, you can stretch things a small amount in a few spots, but "mainly the true truth" is best, though if you go over and repair and maintenance your dad's computer, yes, put it down as independent service contract servicing, updating, and administering private computers, if you have done it, tell them, just phrase it so they will want to read it, and consider its implication rather than "fixed dads computer" that does not sound like anything they want, so it gets dismissed and/or you get rejected. eh?
another thing I would recommend, and this goes for myself as well as you, get a resume done by someone who knows how, I mean really knows how, the appearance of a resume does make an impression, even if the reviewer is really more interested in what is inside, the fact that you made sure it was well done, and proper looking will click a couple of points on the yes side of things.
and, I don't mean to offend, but your typing is hard to follow. your using either to little punctuation, or the wrong ones, and your messages come out on my end as one long run of words so scrambled that I usually need to read them at least twice to break down what your asking into sentences I can understand.
I could be wrong, or I could very well be glitching on a cultural difference in writing, but this is what I am getting on my end. it's not sounding professional to me.
you may wish to go find a site with folks résumé's on it that you can read, and look over a few, not just to see what there putting on them, but how there phrasing there words/sentences.
I hope this is of help, The Elf----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: RE: it jobs problems
I have to agree with everything tylor has said which means tylor himself has learned quite a bit from this list even with all the harping we have done athim. I will add in getting the job with APH To what he has said. I canattest to companies expecting you to not just know your trade but to know itbetter then the sited people. You can't just expect to walk in and be asimple GUI coder which is what a lot of the sighted folks go out and make 10 bucks an hour designing forms and attaching dll's. You're not going to get a GUI Designing job just because of its pace and the speed we move in those circles a sighted person can crank out UI in no time. We just can't do it Idon't care what tools you use you cannot keep up with them in that field. Which leaves us needing enough to be able to take up large projects or dodriver or base code type coding. Companies want someone that can do it allso you have to prove to them your worth something. In my case I just got this job with APH. The day I got there they didn'tsay here is your nice shiny computer with all the latest bells and whistlesand here is our manual on all our API's now take your time and get to know our environment. They said install visual studio, log into Linux createyour PGP public and private keys set up your svn accounts, get all the build environment for the PDA set up, compile a boot image, flash your old device that we dug up out of a foot locker, fight with it till it works, oh and do this while doing all your administration. Learn how our python UI works and Oh yeah get to work on that new Application that is going to go out with thenext release. I call it baptism by fire and I enjoyed the whole start up but I have saidall this to point out that you have to know more than just basic applicationdesign to get a job with a company. You have to understand the tools a company will use and that's knowing as many subversion based software's as you can. I wonder what would have happened at APH if I would have said. Sorry I have trouble installingVisual studio, what is pgp how do I build a public and private key and whatis that by the way, Or build an image how do you do that. What do you mean when you say flash a device should I open my rain coat and give it a goodview? Sorry I don't like coding in python it has bad spacing requirements.I probably would be out looking for another job within a week. So I guess what I am trying to say is if you're looking for a simple job there is very few of them to be had and lots of competition. You have to learn enough to where you can take on the larger jobs where there are less people competing. I am not saying all this to discourage you but I don't want you thinkingbecause you have learned some Visual basic or know some MySql you instantly can get a job. I can tell you my brother does the hiring at his company andhe actually will not hire people that only have visual basic on their resume. Mainly because that language is forced in almost all the colleges and they are looking for people who know multiple languages and can handle learning others on the spot if necessary because not everything has a nice Microsoft .net environment to build an application on.Anyway I hope you find what you're looking for but you might have to move todo it. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler Littlefield Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:40 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: it jobs problems ok... I'm going to try to tackle this a bit at a time. first, I suggest you really brush up on your programming skills. Your lack of debugging is going to be a huge problem for you. Second, If you don't want to make the move to where the firms are located, you can find online jobs, but again they will require you to be proficient in your trade. You will need to 1) know how to research and solve problems on your own 2) have seficient knowledge of the languages you are going to be using, or have the abbility to learn extremely quickly 3) Be proficient with computer usage and your screen reading software 4) Be willing to adapt and make things work. The first three I see as a minor problem from your previous posts. The fourth may feel like brown nosing, but being a blind programmer your going to have a hard time of it. Not saying that it's not a posibility. There are tons of blind programmers (well, not tons, but quite a few), who have successfull jobs. But in order to overcome the "o my god, this dude is blind," problem you need to be able to present them with a good picture. If they see you as a problem, or taking up to much work time, they're going to consider you a lost cause. Basically if your not almost fully proficient and able to sitdown and start coding something when they ask, or easily do your job withoutmuch employee intervention, they're going to have problems with hiring you. If, on the other hand , you need to constantly ask questions, get help withjaws (because msdn or sites won't work), can't make their deadlines, then you will have tons of problems finding a job. Mainly because they couldeasily get someone to do the job that would be more proficient and cost lessmanpower, or be able to accomplish the job with less dificulties than you.These are just my thoughts from talking to people and minimal experience inthe work environment. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx web: tysdomain-com Visit for quality software and web design. skype: st8amnd2005----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:28 AM Subject: it jobs problemsHi. well, have been looking for part time or full time it jobs in devonport tas. seems a lot of private and government jobs are in Launcestan or Hobart. and transport, could be a major problem, to me even getting a chance to get an interview. just starting seriosly to look for jobs. put a few feelers, asking for if any companies in devonport, or ulverston or latrobe, a few it companies. but have not heard back from them. so what do you suggest i do? as the public transport system, not really that great. no passenger trains, only buses, and that would take 3 hours or more out of my day to travel to Launcestan and return to devonport. pity there are no online jobs i could do as a part of a team, from home using the internet. suppose, most it firms have not the infresturcture to set that up. so just wondering, what are my options.there might be possible employment with Devon Industries, a supported workshop, and mainly manufacturing. they do have a admin section, but no it. they suggested i contact wise or ability employment. well, when i was in devonport, before moving to the mainland, then moving back to tas. long story. will not bore you with that, that's for another time and another place. so, what do you recommend? any suggestions, possible solutions, or work arounds, would be fine. or even possible links to possible job vacancies. i do not really want to work in a supported work shop, did that about 20 years ago at the royal society for the blind of south Australia. so what do you suggest? at a loss. have been looking around for a little while, searching online job sites. and get some it jobs, but they are in Launcestan or Hobart. any ideas? i have seem to hit a brick wall. i do get a taxi subsedy. but even at 2 days a week, to Launcestan and back, could be quite expensive. unless, be able to car pool, even if i can get an interview, get short listed, and even get the position. and even if i bring my laptop, which has jaws. really hit a brick wall and need suggestions. any one else been in this situation, middle aged, blind and trying to get a foot into this industry? cheers Marvin. 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