Over on the access-l mailing list a summary of the results of a study were released that make it pretty clear how well blind programmers end up doing with graphical user interface design depends strongly on when they became blind. Those blind at birth have the most difficulty designing such interfaces and those with some memory of vision have the least difficulty. That study will need replication and likely will have impacts on interface design in the future. A swag on my part is you like me were blind at birth or so shortly after you have no memory of vision based on your colleagues descriptions of your interface design. The only way this facet of your work is likely to improve fast is if one of your colleagues does a walkthrough of your interface with you and describes intelligible standards that will enable you to fix your work up and your colleague will need to check your fixes to be sure both of you are on the same page. So far as I know neither Microsoft nor any other vendor has put a tool on the market to take a working console application and make another instance of it that's a windows form application. Should that ever happen provided its output is mostly acceptable lots more should be possible for you quickly. Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of sameer manohtra Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:40 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: introduction, and first query Hello guys, My self sameer manohtra from India, and I'm a totally blind. Due to my concealed interest in programming, I have started learning the first programming language of my life that's vb.net. In fact I'm not that highly rational when comes the question of programming, so will keep seeking your kind help. I'm not very sure about all of you people as I've just found this list when I was googling something on the same topic, but I'm quite sure that all of you have nicely attained your endeavors, and in fact are one of the prominents of society. As I have subscribed on this list now, you will keep receiving silly questions from my side, as I'm just an apprentice in all those stuffs what you have already mastered. Before asking any queries, would like to tell, that I'm using jaws version 7.0 and VS 2005. Further, scripts of jaws for vs 2005 is installed. The first, and chief problem I'm facing from the first day of vb.net learning, is that I'm unable to set the layout of my forms. For example, I found it unattainable to set different components on their right positions as buttons, text boxes, labels, group boxes, or what so ever. I mean, that my cited counterparts always keeps telling, that my forms looks so bizarre in terms of design. Though jaws still navigates finely, and therefore I always find my self unable satisfying my friends via designing, and proper placement of my form items. So, is there any specific technique from which we can set a relatively good layout, so that at least cited people don't finds it odd? Mostly, my text boxes would be so lower side, button would be on top, labels somewhere hidden, and all that pathetic what my friends tells me. Are their any particular guidelines or sort of stuff about placing these ToolBox components which can make it look user friendly? In wait of your quick responses, Sameer manohtra. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind