Yes, that's right. You can add/remove programs using that dialog. - If the program is not hidden. - If the remove utility was properly created. - If you know what the thing is called in this dialog. - If you have the confidence that removing the software will not mess up something critical on your computer. Since these conditions are rearely met, it is better to get a machine that you have full control over what is installed in the first place. And one more thing, when you do a system restore, all that unwanted rubbish is right back on your computer. Regards, James jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx "Everything is easy when you know how." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? Ever hear of add/remove programs or programs and features as called in vista? They remove software that isn't wanted on the box. At 10:19 AM 12/13/2008, you wrote: >ww. I've heard nothing but good about them... Until now. >I don't mind them (from my limited experience), I just don't like >all the software they pour on to the system. > > >Thanks, >Tyler Littlefield >email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >web: tysdomain-com >Visit for quality software and web design. >skype: st8amnd2005 > >----- Original Message ----- From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> >To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:16 AM >Subject: Re: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? > > >>I agree about Dell, although I have been sorely tempted to buy a laptop >>again from them as Sina is managing to get big discounts on Dells because >>of >>the number he orders. >>I went to the Dell website and checked the model I wanted, and it at first >>5 >>stars -- but then a couple weeks later it had only 3 or 3.5 stars. Go >>figure. Someone didn't like their laptop... >>My own experience with Dell: I had a laptop that wouldn't work. They >>talked >>to be and I let slip that it had fallen on the floor once, and they said >>that voided the warranty. So I paid through the nose for a fix. When I >>got >>it back it still wouldn't boot -- wouldn't even read the hard drive. I >>returned it to them saying they didn't fix it, and that they should get it >>to reboot before they sent it back to me. They returned it without looking >>at it -- same day -- and said the diagnostics all passed and that they >>weren't responsible for my hard drive not working. I removed the hard >>drive >>and connected it via USB to another laptop and the disk had everything on >>it -- no corruption. I called them several times more and argued, and they >>said the only thing they could do was walk me through the steps to recover >>the initial factory settings, which would have zapped all my data -- I >>removed my data, but the dell is still sitting in pieces in my room. >> >>If anyone wants it I can send all of it except the hard drive. >>I'm so furious at Dell for the way they handled it. They in essence told >>me >>not to call back on that case any more. >>It is an old laptop, but since it is passing the diagnostics I don't >>think >>it is a total lost cause. I just don't have the time or or patience to >>fiddle with it. >> >>Sina -- are you still getting Dells? What is your opinion of Dell? >>--le >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx> >>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:59 AM >>Subject: Re: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? >> >> >>Hi Brian, >> >>Wow! That is amazing! >> >>My requirements when building a system are nearly the exact same. The only >>difference is that I will use Asus Main boards. >> >>If I have the bucks, I will choose a Plextor optical drive. >> >>But enough, the whole thread is supposed to be about buying a lap-top and >>this does not apply. >> >>I echo the opinion, "Stay away from Dell.". >> >>The cost for the base machine seems to be quite reasonable, but the >>upgrades >>are hugely inflated and you void your warrantee if you take the machine to >>a >>third party to get it upgraded. You are much better off to deal with a >>local, one of computer store with an excellent reputation. I have had too >>many woes with Tiger Direct products to recommend them. Their warrantee is >>very difficult to collect on. >> >>HTH >>Regards, >>James >> >>jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx >>jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>"Everything is easy when you know how." >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:25 PM >>Subject: Re: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? >> >> >>hi, >> >>i should have mentioned this before, i won't touch a dell because they are >>so proprietary and who knows what parts are used. >>except for my hp nx9600 laptop, i build my own towers with only intel >>boards >>or msi boards with intel chips, don't mess with amd chips, use kingston, >>crucial, or patriot ram, western hard drives, and sony or liteon optical >>drives though i'm not as picky on the dvd drives. >>I choose good fans and hd coolers, and I'm never forced to take crapware >>and >>will only get stuck with vista if it's my choice. >> >>Bryan Schulz >>The BEST Solution >>www.best-acts.com >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" >><matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:33 PM >>Subject: Re: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? >> >> >>>because some time is so hard to modify something... >>>Look for example the del 1525 laptop. >>>it comes with freedos >>>and the manufacturer offers only vista drivers. >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz" >>><b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:48 AM >>>Subject: Re: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? >>> >>> >>>>hi, >>>> >>>>what do most blind people do to navigate life? >>>>they find different ways to do something the sighted just look at >>>>visually. >>>> >>>>Don't worry about what brand of computer. >>>>compare the specs without thinking of what operating system unless 64 >>>>bit is a factor. >>>>if you find one you really like but it comes with vista, don't bitch, >>>>spend about $65 to get a real copy of windows xp pro. >>>>i wouldn't think i had to say this. >>>>i don't know why people get hung up on worrying about modifying what >>>>they >>>>buy. >>>> >>>>Bryan Schulz >>>>The BEST Solution >>>>www.best-acts.com >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 4:57 PM >>>>Subject: Re: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? >>>> >>>> >>>>>HI Tyler, >>>>> >>>>>If you really insist, you can still get notebook computers with Windows >>>>>XP >>>>>Pro on them. A decent computer is well within your price range. >>>>> >>>>>Acer and a few other companies make computers that will do fine for >>>>>what >>>>>you >>>>>need. >>>>> >>>>>Sorry I can't help more, but the only store I deal with is here in >>>>>Oshawa >>>>>Ontario. >>>>> >>>>>Good luck. >>>>>James >>>>> >>>>>jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx >>>>>jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>"Everything is easy when you know how." >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Littlefield" >>>>><tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>To: <BlindGeeks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:18 AM >>>>>Subject: in the market for a new laptop:suggetsions? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hello list, >>>>>I'm in the market for a new laptop. >>>>>My max price range is about 1100. I'm not totally sure what I need; of >>>>>course I'm looking for the best deal, but I also need something that >>>>>Jaws >>>>>will work on. >>>>> From what I've heard, jaws does not work on 64-bit vista; are there >>>>>still >>>>>laptops shipped with 32 bit, or even better XP? >>>>>I know a lot of the computer companies started sending everything with >>>>>vista. >>>>>I've also seen things like 60 day trials and etc on vista; am I going >>>>>to >>>>>have to purchase a full copy after I get the laptop? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Tyler Littlefield >>>>>email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>web: tysdomain-com >>>>>Visit for quality software and web design. >>>>>skype: st8amnd2005 >>>>> >>>>>__________ >>>>>View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>>__________ >>>>>View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>>__________ >>>>View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >>>__________ >>>View the list's information and change your settings at >>>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >>__________ >>View the list's information and change your settings at >>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> >>__________ >>View the list's information and change your settings at >>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >>__________ >>View the list's information and change your settings at >>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > >__________ >View the list's information and change your settings at >//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind Tim trouble Verizon support tech "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. 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