This may be old news to some, but it was definitively not to me. At http://shoesrb.com/ there's a program called "shoes", which is basically a gui toolkit using ruby. W/it, u can write all kinds of gui's w/just code. Sounds ideal for us blindys. I'm gonna have a peekaboo now. -- Change the world--1 deed at a time Jackie McBride Scripting Classes: http://jawsscripting.lonsdalemedia.org homePage: www.abletec.serverheaven.net For technophobes: www.technophoeb.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind