Hi, It's separate. Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 11:35 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: fix for the windows live messenger issue. Don't think I have tried that does it come with office 2007 and if yes how do I run it? Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 4:39 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. Hi: At work I'm forced to use Office Communicator 2007 R2. JAWS 11 doesn't handle Communicator particularly well either. Some tips from you script guru's? I don't *need* Live Messenger at home but it's quite nice when I just want to chat. I'll guess I will just install Live Messenger 2009 again when I have calmed down <smile> On 24.10.2010 04:49, Ken Perry wrote: > It looks like they renamed just about every class control they could and > they added a tabbed control to contain all the conversations. They also > screwed up the way they group individual conversations by the same person by > removing the options to not group texts from the same person. There are a > lot of changes but it looks like it would be about a day of work for someone > who really wanted to sit down and get it done. I don't have the time but I > was able to get it to talk the conversations, with only changing a couple > classes. > > I need it for work I am doing so I reverted to an older one. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:09 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. > > Thanks. I wrote the original script set for Windows Live when it first came > > out, and we had been trying to get them to set some sort of standard static > delimiter between message threads, but they stuck with double carriage > returns, which wasn't consistent. > Also, given it is a DirectUI window class--a single window with controls, > sort of like a terminal application--we had to go with an almost exclusive > MSAA solution, but it too was inconsistent. > Haven't looked at the app in a few years--since leaving FS, so I'm not sure > what has changed. > > Thanks, > Dennis Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:53 PM > Subject: RE: fix for the windows live messenger issue. > > > The newest windows live messenger that you will get if you upgrade your > windows live software needs to have some script fixes if you use jaws. It > also has some problems with system access and I have not tried it with > window-eyes or nvda yet. > > All the controls are accessible the screen readers are just not handling > them very well which is understandable when it comes to the history window > because they took the option away to to not group messages from same person > but Oh well we will overcome. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:33 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. > > Coming in late on this thread, what is the Windows Live issue with Jaws > we're discussing? > > > Thanks, > Dennis Brown > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Øyvind Lode"<oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx> > To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. > > >> Yep. >> That would be very nice. >> FS has to modify a lot of scripts to keep up with new versions of Live >> Messenger etc. >> >> Why can't MS make Live Messenger etc fully accessible to JAWS, Window-Eyes > >> etc out of the box? >> >> On 23.10.2010 22:08, Ken Perry wrote: >>> Hmm the msn client that is out is accessible it just has not been >>> scripted >>> in a real world Jaws would have advanced enough and so would have system >>> access and window eyes to deal with these simple windows without scripts. >>> Oh well. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode >>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:15 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. >>> >>> Anyway in my next life I'll code a nice accessible MSN client. >>> In my current life I'm busy trying to learn to program. >>> I'm currently learning about Pointers in C. >>> >>> On 23.10.2010 20:05, Ken Perry wrote: >>>> It is not separate because I updated m the security essentials and it >>>> upgraded all my live apps. >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:57 PM >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. >>>> >>>> I'm talking about Windows Live Essentials which includes Windows Live >>>> Messenger, Live Mail, Silverlight etc. >>>> Microsoft Security Essentials a complete different package and I >>>> actually love that anti virus app. >>>> It's actually the first virus app that have stayed over 1 month on my >>>> PC. >>>> MS Security Essentials don't slow down my machine which is great. >>>> >>>> Ok, I was a little frustrated. >>>> In a perfect world MS and FS should collaborate closer and popular apps >>>> like Windows Live Messenger should be 100% accessible to us when >>>> released. >>>> But I guess that's never going to happen! >>>> >>>> I've never tried a Mac but I know you use one and as I understand it >>>> there are issues... >>>> But I have ordered an iPhone and look forward to play with my first >>>> Apple device. >>>> >>>> On 23.10.2010 19:14, Ken Perry wrote: >>>>> Email's like this are very funny. First off if it was not for >>>>> Essentials >>>>> some of the viruses I have run into both at work and home would not >>>>> have >>>>> been caught and that includes all the most used nod32 Norton and mcfee. >>>>> Second if people did stuff like this in the past we would have dumped >>>>> Microsoft when IE 6 came out and none of us could use it. I will give >>>> Jaws >>>>> till 12 to fix it then I will scrap windows live messenger but there is >>> no >>>>> way I will drop essentials. Oh one more thing. You could have >>>>> unchecked >>>>> the box at update time that said update all windows live programs. >>>>> Then >>>> you >>>>> could have chosen to only update essentials or others but not windows >>>> live. >>>>> I actually updated all to see if it was still accessible. I have skype >>>> till >>>>> it is fixed and there is no reason to blow a gasket. Welcome to >>>>> accessibility lag. The screen readers cannot keep up not even Mac >>>>> screen >>>>> reader keeps up. I know cause I have the beta on the IPhone and let's >>>> just >>>>> say I have found 4 accessibility lags there maybe just maybe if some of >>> us >>>>> were beta testing the windows live and working on the scripts this >>>>> would >>>> not >>>>> have been a problem. Windows live messenger is accessible the scripts >>>> just >>>>> need a bit of tweaking maybe if the scripts are open enough I will go >>>>> see >>>>> what is erroring. >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:06 AM >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue. >>>>> >>>>> I have killed Live Messenger and all additional tools installed by the >>>>> Live Essentials package. >>>>> I will never install a M$ Live crap program again. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to try Miranda but as Tyler said it seems hard to get up >>>>> and running. >>>>> I can't find any up to date JAWS scripts either. >>>>> >>>>> I've seen a lot of frustration towards Apple on this list recently. >>>>> But in my opinion M$ is even worse. >>>>> >>>>> On 23.10.2010 00:35, Tyler Littlefield wrote: >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought about Miranda, but getting it going seems to be a pain. a >>>>>> plugin here, a plugin there, a script here... and google shows lots of >>>>>> them that are old and outdated (running on jaws 4.0)... Is there a >>>>>> good >>>>>> source for a nice clean accessible miranda? >>>>>> On 10/22/2010 4:15 PM, Jared Wright wrote: >>>>>>> I just use aggragate clients--Miranda on Windows, Pidgin on Linux. >>>>>>> All >>>>>>> those branded IM clients have far greater problems than their >>>>>>> substandard accessibility implementations. >>>>>>> On 10/22/2010 04:56 PM, Ken Perry wrote: >>>>>>>> I just joined the teeny boppers and use skype till its fixed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ken >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler >>>>>>>> Littlefield >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:35 AM >>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>> Subject: fix for the windows live messenger issue. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> I just remembered my friend had this same problem. Good news: There >>>>>>> is >>> a >>>>>>> copy of windows live that still works: at oldversion.com, it's called >>>>>>> msn messenger. it says beta in the title, but hell, it works until fs >>>>>>> finds a fix and decides to charge you another SMA, then you can >>> upgrade. >>>>>>> Enjoy! >>>>>>> -- Thanks, >>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield >>>>>> __________ >>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>>> >>>>>> __________ >>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ >>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - -- >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Tyler Littlefield >>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) >>>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMwhGjAAoJELDPyrppriJPtmcH/2/q2jduwVxbgQmXOQjIKvnp >>>>>> b/c/1X039moDzu/Xv+19DoLW703v95WElUK8bKuL03AJ36aXPORNlrcZHTwOeKbg >>>>>> fJaN4FMdx4hqSX44j8+7DQKIsu7M1zMwY76dq0ulNEfOIF12YsK7xmnjNkC4K9ND >>>>>> /WXv9S0c+Yx2qyyUV7igUoA7IixKoqztwwloP8UCWxAvQlk7blY5Y47bo5lCfU8M >>>>>> nbZlij4ULYe52garFzcsW/K8Tk+APM+xVyDr4al4WcDAD7X4m6B5V22Afs2d/Xrt >>>>>> oX3Q2IiHbAMuUgEKNsZs/I/BaSeYkmGKmxzbFey/pYW/Ih2tNQI+8RdzYKnpfPU= >>>>>> =b49F >>>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>>> __________ >>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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