It looks like they renamed just about every class control they could and
they added a tabbed control to contain all the conversations. They also
screwed up the way they group individual conversations by the same person by
removing the options to not group texts from the same person. There are a
lot of changes but it looks like it would be about a day of work for someone
who really wanted to sit down and get it done. I don't have the time but I
was able to get it to talk the conversations, with only changing a couple
classes.
I need it for work I am doing so I reverted to an older one.
Ken
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 9:09 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
Thanks. I wrote the original script set for Windows Live when it first came
out, and we had been trying to get them to set some sort of standard static
delimiter between message threads, but they stuck with double carriage
returns, which wasn't consistent.
Also, given it is a DirectUI window class--a single window with controls,
sort of like a terminal application--we had to go with an almost exclusive
MSAA solution, but it too was inconsistent.
Haven't looked at the app in a few years--since leaving FS, so I'm not sure
what has changed.
Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:53 PM
Subject: RE: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
The newest windows live messenger that you will get if you upgrade your
windows live software needs to have some script fixes if you use jaws. It
also has some problems with system access and I have not tried it with
window-eyes or nvda yet.
All the controls are accessible the screen readers are just not handling
them very well which is understandable when it comes to the history window
because they took the option away to to not group messages from same person
but Oh well we will overcome.
Ken
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:33 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
Coming in late on this thread, what is the Windows Live issue with Jaws
we're discussing?
Thanks,
Dennis Brown
----- Original Message -----
From: "Øyvind Lode"<oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
Yep.
That would be very nice.
FS has to modify a lot of scripts to keep up with new versions of Live
Messenger etc.
Why can't MS make Live Messenger etc fully accessible to JAWS, Window-Eyes
etc out of the box?
On 23.10.2010 22:08, Ken Perry wrote:
Hmm the msn client that is out is accessible it just has not been
scripted
in a real world Jaws would have advanced enough and so would have system
access and window eyes to deal with these simple windows without scripts.
Oh well.
Ken
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 3:15 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
Anyway in my next life I'll code a nice accessible MSN client.
In my current life I'm busy trying to learn to program.
I'm currently learning about Pointers in C.
On 23.10.2010 20:05, Ken Perry wrote:
It is not separate because I updated m the security essentials and it
upgraded all my live apps.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:57 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
I'm talking about Windows Live Essentials which includes Windows Live
Messenger, Live Mail, Silverlight etc.
Microsoft Security Essentials a complete different package and I
actually love that anti virus app.
It's actually the first virus app that have stayed over 1 month on my
PC.
MS Security Essentials don't slow down my machine which is great.
Ok, I was a little frustrated.
In a perfect world MS and FS should collaborate closer and popular apps
like Windows Live Messenger should be 100% accessible to us when
released.
But I guess that's never going to happen!
I've never tried a Mac but I know you use one and as I understand it
there are issues...
But I have ordered an iPhone and look forward to play with my first
Apple device.
On 23.10.2010 19:14, Ken Perry wrote:
Email's like this are very funny. First off if it was not for
Essentials
some of the viruses I have run into both at work and home would not
have
been caught and that includes all the most used nod32 Norton and mcfee.
Second if people did stuff like this in the past we would have dumped
Microsoft when IE 6 came out and none of us could use it. I will give
Jaws
till 12 to fix it then I will scrap windows live messenger but there is
no
way I will drop essentials. Oh one more thing. You could have
unchecked
the box at update time that said update all windows live programs.
Then
you
could have chosen to only update essentials or others but not windows
live.
I actually updated all to see if it was still accessible. I have skype
till
it is fixed and there is no reason to blow a gasket. Welcome to
accessibility lag. The screen readers cannot keep up not even Mac
screen
reader keeps up. I know cause I have the beta on the IPhone and let's
just
say I have found 4 accessibility lags there maybe just maybe if some of
us
were beta testing the windows live and working on the scripts this
would
not
have been a problem. Windows live messenger is accessible the scripts
just
need a bit of tweaking maybe if the scripts are open enough I will go
see
what is erroring.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 8:06 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
I have killed Live Messenger and all additional tools installed by the
Live Essentials package.
I will never install a M$ Live crap program again.
I would like to try Miranda but as Tyler said it seems hard to get up
and running.
I can't find any up to date JAWS scripts either.
I've seen a lot of frustration towards Apple on this list recently.
But in my opinion M$ is even worse.
On 23.10.2010 00:35, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
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I thought about Miranda, but getting it going seems to be a pain. a
plugin here, a plugin there, a script here... and google shows lots of
them that are old and outdated (running on jaws 4.0)... Is there a
good
source for a nice clean accessible miranda?
On 10/22/2010 4:15 PM, Jared Wright wrote:
I just use aggragate clients--Miranda on Windows, Pidgin on Linux.
All
those branded IM clients have far greater problems than their
substandard accessibility implementations.
On 10/22/2010 04:56 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
I just joined the teeny boppers and use skype till its fixed.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
Littlefield
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 1:35 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: fix for the windows live messenger issue.
Hello all,
I just remembered my friend had this same problem. Good news: There
is
a
copy of windows live that still works: at oldversion.com, it's called
msn messenger. it says beta in the title, but hell, it works until fs
finds a fix and decides to charge you another SMA, then you can
upgrade.
Enjoy!
-- Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
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Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
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