And in addition I would like to say that C++ is also used for the apps that should run very fast like a web server, a database management system, or applications made for displaying video. Of course, the main apps could be made with another language, but the core libraries are usually made in C/C++.
However, it is not likely that a beginner will start by thinking that he will work for creating this type of apps.
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:34 PM Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
Regarding C++ again, if one wants to work on low-level parts of an operating system, drivers, etc., then it is the language to use on almost any platform. Its flexibility and performance shine in this area. Jamal On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Jamal Mazrui wrote:Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:12:59 -0500 (EST) From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks With dynamic languages, bugs are caught by either automated "unit testing" or real world, user testing. Having used both strongly and weakly typed languages, I find it rare that the compiler catches an error that I do not find in a dynamic language by actually testing the feature I have programmed. Even C++ experts have a challenging time preventing memory leaks in their code, which then lead to system instability. I would only recommend C++ if one is taking computer science courses and can learn all the techniques for managing memory correctly. A beginner who tries to learn C++ by him or herself is likely to get frustrated and quit! Other languages, on the other hand, provide reinforcement through earlier success at creating nontrivial programs. I would now only recommend C++ to someone doing system-level utilities. There are almost always more productive alternatives otherwise. Jamal On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Tyler Littlefield wrote: > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:35:38 -0700 > From: Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > > uh oh, he's at it again. > >Or does it run on more systems than perl? > Where does perl even come in? You were asking about java.> You should seriously consider a career as a sales person for perl, you > seem> to put all other languages down except for perl. > I've personally found it to be clunky and annoying to read through, > especially with their lovely variable prefixes. > I also find it amusing when people string half their program (which> should've actually been split up in to about 20 lines or so), on one > line, > as you seemed to insist python was lacking, to make for "clever > coding."> > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield > email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > web: tysdomain-com > Visit for quality software and web design. > skype: st8amnd2005 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > >> > Oh my god! How could you dare to say that python's indentation > > requirement> > is unfriendly for the blind? > > Have you seen what the other list members told me when I told that? > >> > Because I told that python is accessible and with some more effort it > > can> > be used, but the indentation is not exactly friendly. > > > > But I don't understand why python is recommended for cross platform> > development. Is it better than Java for cross platform development? > > Does > > it run on more systems? (Because that is independent platform > > developement> > about). > > Or does it run on more systems than perl? > >> > Well, you told that the minimum punctuation is friendly, but this is > > not> > exactly true, but each one have his preferences for this.> > I think one of the things I don't like in python and VB is that they > > don't > > end the lines with a semicolon, to be more clear where the current > > line > > ends, and they also don't use braces, to be also more clear where a > > block> > begins and ends. > >> > And I really don't have anything with python in this respect. I also > > don't > > like ruby for this reason even though you told that ruby accepts > > those > > semicolons, but they are not required, so many programmers will > > surely> > skip them. > >> > Well, I read better what you said, and it is true, you told that this > > is a > > preference of beginners, so it might be truefor beginners... I don't > > know.> > > > But I also agree with you that case insensitivity is friendly. > > > > However, I told you that I have never found util an interactive> > environment when you done the one for perl. I really don't know what > > I> > could use such a thing, so in my opinion it is useless. > >> > But I am thinking that my text editor that can run any perl code > > could be> > considered very well such an environment that can get parameters from> > STDIN and print to STDERR and STDOUT, and it is also very accessible, > > and > > I can check and modify the code I write in previous lines... and > > maybe> > that's why I don't feel the need for another testing environment. > >> > Anyway, you've started with "If a new programmer wants to maximize > > the > > chance of getting paid", without other specifications, but it could > > depend > > on many criteria, one of the most important beeing the location of > > that > > programmer, because the demand for programming languages are not the > > same> > in all countries. > >> > In my country there are no very many that cares about python, or > > perl, or > > ruby, however most of the jobs are for PHP programmers and then for > > Java> > and C# and there still are some for C++ also. > >> > So the list member that put the original question should have also > > told> > more about what he wants to do finally, because otherwise we bang our > > heads to give the best solution. > > And anyway, I would have found some disadvantages for any programming > > language. :-) > >> > (I like to do that because I don't like that absolutely every time > > all the> > people present only the advantages, while we all know that there are> > disadvantages in every programming language. Do you remember that > > long> > list of disadvantages of perl I sent to the list some years ago?) > > > > Octavian > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:47 PM > > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > > > >> >> For whatever it's worth, my present perspective on these topics is > >> as> >> follows. > >> > >> If a new programmer wants to maximize the chance of getting paid> >> employment, I suggest lerning Java, C#, or PHP. If the primary > >> interest> >> is developing web sites, I recommend PHP. If Windows desktop> >> applications, I recommend either C# or Visual Basic .NET, depending > >> on > >> personal preference about syntax. If cross-platform development is > >> the> >> highest priority, I recommend Python. > >>> >> Regarding Python, I think its indentation requirement is unfriendly > >> to> >> blind programmers, particularly speech-without-braille users. Other> >> aspects of a language should also be considered, however, in judging > >> how> >> friendly a language is. Clean syntax with a minimum of punctuation > >> symbols often makes a language more friendly to beginners. In the > >> languages I have mention so far, Python and Visual Basic are the> >> friendliest in that respect. Case sensitivity also makes a > >> difference to > >> friendliness. Visual Basic is the friendliest in that respect, > >> since the > >> other languages mentioned are case sensitive. An interactive > >> environment> >> for testing small pieces of code is another aspect of friendliness. > >> Python is the best of the languages mentioned in that respect. > >>> >> For anyone interested in a research project, I think the topic of > >> what> >> language is easiest for a beginning blind programmer is worth> >> investigating. Without empirical evidence, it is difficult to judge > >> how> >> to weigh the different factors that affect the friendliness of a > >> language.> >> Let me encourage any student or professional researchers on this > >> list to> >> consider designing a study that may shed more light on this. > >> > >> Jamal > >> > >> __________ > >> View the list's information and change your settings at > >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > >> > > > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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