Make it make a sound. Ear cons are nice if they re distinctive. So make a frog belt out a good croak and then step on the frog when you turn it off like splat. Um well maybe you can come up with less annoying sounds but that's a good way to beat the speech. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:43 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks Thanks, Paul. I agree that would be a better implementation. So far I have not found a way for EdSharp to voice that message before the screen reader reads the line. I'll reflect further on this though. Jamal On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Paul Hunt wrote: > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:36:39 -0000 > From: Paul Hunt <huntp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > > Hi Jamal, > > I've just downloaded EdSharp and it's a very nice little editor. > > I like the indent feature but I wonder if an option could be added to toggle > the announcement of indent level changes, e.g in 1 or out 1, so that the > information is provided before the line is read out. I would find this much > more efficient as I wouldn't need to listen to a whole potentially long line > of code before hearing whether it was on the same indent level or not. > > Just my opinion. It's a great program though. > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > > > > Glad you are finding EdSharp useful for Python or other coding. Your > > feedback prompted me to add a configuration option that makes indent > > mode the default whenever a new document window is opened. You can > > press Alt+Shift+C for Configuration Options, Alt+U for > > UseIndentModeDefault, and then type Y for Yes. Indent mode is currently > > designed to work on a per window basis so you can have different > > documents open with or without this behavior. The default is for each new > > window to be opened with indent mode off, but if you change this setting, > > the opposite will be true. You can still toggle the current state with > > Alt+Shift+I. > > > > This is in the December 9 version of EdSharp, available via the Elevate > > command, F11, or from > > http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe > > > > I'm continually trying to fine tune indentation and other features to > > maximize productivity. With indent mode on, Alt+I now says the > > indententation level followed by the line of code that introduced the > > current, indented block (e.g., an if statement). I also just changed the > > verbalization so that it says Level 0, Level 1, level 2, etc., rather than > > 0 levels, 1 level, 2 levels, etc. > > > > Keep the feedback coming! > > > > Jamal > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Tyler > > Littlefield wrote: > > > >> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:34:06 -0700 > >> From: Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > >> > >> well, sorry for participating in the whole IMO deal. > >> I just don't want some newbie to be driven off a language because teddy > >> deems it "unaccessible." > >> I've just coded a tiney chat server in python within my first two hours > >> of > >> playing with it; it's not a hard language to learn. EdSharp makes life a > >> lot > >> more easier, though. > >> speaking of: I use alt+shift+i to turn on indentation announcement, but > >> that > >> seems to change when I exit, can I make that perminent? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tyler Littlefield > >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> web: tysdomain-com > >> Visit for quality software and web design. > >> skype: st8amnd2005 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > >> > >> > >> > thank you Jamal for returning to the factual original topic of this > >> > line, > >> > the poor dude may have already stopped reading it due to the mass of > >> > IMO's > >> > stuff that was being thrown about out here, *sigh* > >> > > >> > talk to you later, > >> > inthane > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:47 AM > >> > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks > >> > > >> > > >> >> For whatever it's worth, my present perspective on these topics is as > >> >> follows. > >> >> > >> >> If a new programmer wants to maximize the chance of getting paid > >> >> employment, I suggest lerning Java, C#, or PHP. If the primary > >> >> interest > >> >> is developing web sites, I recommend PHP. If Windows desktop > >> >> applications, I recommend either C# or Visual Basic .NET, depending on > >> >> personal preference about syntax. If cross-platform development is > >> >> the > >> >> highest priority, I recommend Python. > >> >> > >> >> Regarding Python, I think its indentation requirement is unfriendly to > >> >> blind programmers, particularly speech-without-braille users. Other > >> >> aspects of a language should also be considered, however, in judging > >> >> how > >> >> friendly a language is. Clean syntax with a minimum of punctuation > >> >> symbols often makes a language more friendly to beginners. In the > >> >> languages I have mention so far, Python and Visual Basic are the > >> >> friendliest in that respect. Case sensitivity also makes a difference > >> >> to > >> >> friendliness. Visual Basic is the friendliest in that respect, since > >> >> the > >> >> other languages mentioned are case sensitive. An interactive > >> >> environment > >> >> for testing small pieces of code is another aspect of friendliness. > >> >> Python is the best of the languages mentioned in that respect. > >> >> > >> >> For anyone interested in a research project, I think the topic of what > >> >> language is easiest for a beginning blind programmer is worth > >> >> investigating. Without empirical evidence, it is difficult to judge > >> >> how > >> >> to weigh the different factors that affect the friendliness of a > >> >> language. > >> >> Let me encourage any student or professional researchers on this list > >> >> to > >> >> consider designing a study that may shed more light on this. > >> >> > >> >> Jamal > >> >> > >> >> __________ > >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at > >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > __________ > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > >> > > >> > >> __________ > >> View the list's information and change your settings at > >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > >> > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind