RE: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:31:47 -0500
Make it make a sound. Ear cons are nice if they re distinctive. So make a
frog belt out a good croak and then step on the frog when you turn it off
like splat. Um well maybe you can come up with less annoying sounds but
that's a good way to beat the speech.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:43 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
Thanks, Paul. I agree that would be a better implementation. So far I
have not found a way for EdSharp to voice that message before the
screen reader reads the line. I'll reflect further on this though.
Jamal
On Tue, 9
Dec 2008, Paul Hunt wrote:
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:36:39 -0000
> From: Paul Hunt <huntp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>
> Hi Jamal,
>
> I've just downloaded EdSharp and it's a very nice little editor.
>
> I like the indent feature but I wonder if an option could be added to
toggle
> the announcement of indent level changes, e.g in 1 or out 1, so that the
> information is provided before the line is read out. I would find this
much
> more efficient as I wouldn't need to listen to a whole potentially long
line
> of code before hearing whether it was on the same indent level or not.
>
> Just my opinion. It's a great program though.
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>
>
> > Glad you are finding EdSharp useful for Python or other coding. Your
> > feedback prompted me to add a configuration option that makes indent
> > mode the default whenever a new document window is opened. You can
> > press Alt+Shift+C for Configuration Options, Alt+U for
> > UseIndentModeDefault, and then type Y for Yes. Indent mode is currently
> > designed to work on a per window basis so you can have different
> > documents open with or without this behavior. The default is for each
new
> > window to be opened with indent mode off, but if you change this
setting,
> > the opposite will be true. You can still toggle the current state with
> > Alt+Shift+I.
> >
> > This is in the December 9 version of EdSharp, available via the Elevate
> > command, F11, or from
> > http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe
> >
> > I'm continually trying to fine tune indentation and other features to
> > maximize productivity. With indent mode on, Alt+I now says the
> > indententation level followed by the line of code that introduced the
> > current, indented block (e.g., an if statement). I also just changed
the
> > verbalization so that it says Level 0, Level 1, level 2, etc., rather
than
> > 0 levels, 1 level, 2 levels, etc.
> >
> > Keep the feedback coming!
> >
> > Jamal
> > On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Tyler
> > Littlefield wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:34:06 -0700
> >> From: Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
> >>
> >> well, sorry for participating in the whole IMO deal.
> >> I just don't want some newbie to be driven off a language because teddy
> >> deems it "unaccessible."
> >> I've just coded a tiney chat server in python within my first two hours
> >> of
> >> playing with it; it's not a hard language to learn. EdSharp makes life
a
> >> lot
> >> more easier, though.
> >> speaking of: I use alt+shift+i to turn on indentation announcement, but
> >> that
> >> seems to change when I exit, can I make that perminent?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tyler Littlefield
> >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> web: tysdomain-com
> >> Visit for quality software and web design.
> >> skype: st8amnd2005
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
> >>
> >>
> >> > thank you Jamal for returning to the factual original topic of this
> >> > line,
> >> > the poor dude may have already stopped reading it due to the mass of
> >> > IMO's
> >> > stuff that was being thrown about out here, *sigh*
> >> >
> >> > talk to you later,
> >> > inthane
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:47 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> For whatever it's worth, my present perspective on these topics is
as
> >> >> follows.
> >> >>
> >> >> If a new programmer wants to maximize the chance of getting paid
> >> >> employment, I suggest lerning Java, C#, or PHP. If the primary
> >> >> interest
> >> >> is developing web sites, I recommend PHP. If Windows desktop
> >> >> applications, I recommend either C# or Visual Basic .NET, depending
on
> >> >> personal preference about syntax. If cross-platform development is
> >> >> the
> >> >> highest priority, I recommend Python.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regarding Python, I think its indentation requirement is unfriendly
to
> >> >> blind programmers, particularly speech-without-braille users. Other
> >> >> aspects of a language should also be considered, however, in judging
> >> >> how
> >> >> friendly a language is. Clean syntax with a minimum of punctuation
> >> >> symbols often makes a language more friendly to beginners. In the
> >> >> languages I have mention so far, Python and Visual Basic are the
> >> >> friendliest in that respect. Case sensitivity also makes a
difference
> >> >> to
> >> >> friendliness. Visual Basic is the friendliest in that respect,
since
> >> >> the
> >> >> other languages mentioned are case sensitive. An interactive
> >> >> environment
> >> >> for testing small pieces of code is another aspect of friendliness.
> >> >> Python is the best of the languages mentioned in that respect.
> >> >>
> >> >> For anyone interested in a research project, I think the topic of
what
> >> >> language is easiest for a beginning blind programmer is worth
> >> >> investigating. Without empirical evidence, it is difficult to judge
> >> >> how
> >> >> to weigh the different factors that affect the friendliness of a
> >> >> language.
> >> >> Let me encourage any student or professional researchers on this
list
> >> >> to
> >> >> consider designing a study that may shed more light on this.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jamal
> >> >>
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