A tool for every task, a task for every tool. SA doesn't have the power to do what I need day in and day out. BUt if things go south or other, more developed tools aren't close to hand? Why not!
I've always thought Wineyes or JFW to SA wasn't quite apples to oranges. Maybe bananas to oranges though.
Jared
Macarty, Jay {PBSG} wrote:
Interesting observations. I will say that when Win-Eyes 7 crashed (which it has done twice now) and when I couldn't get Jaws to talk, it was SA which came to the rescue.-----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:45 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Window-Eyes public beta released with powerful scripting capability This problem or lack thereof is the real beauty within System Access and NVDA which play nicely with all other AT and leave few turds that might break another bit of AT. The big guys support more applications and often do so in a more comprehensive manner but have not invested much time or effort since Ben Weiss and I co-chaired the AT/AT compatibility working group within ATIA. What we need now is an Access Technology Consumer Association (ATCA) that can hold its convention during the Industry Association's one in Orlando in late January so people can attend both. ATCA can gather "demands and ideas" from consumers, discuss how AT can improve in a manner we, the users, care about and question the propaganda distributed at ATIA. ATCA does not need to be at all hostile to the industry, its companies and its people. It just needs to politely address the issues our members feel are the most important and try to work with industry and free software people to achieve the long term goals. AT vendors who choose to ignore us will not receive our endorsements assuming they have some value but we can put the list of our suggestions on a web page for all to see what is and is not being addressed by industry. Of course, I don't like the acronym "ATCA" as it sounds too much like a shaving product. Have fun, cdh -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty, Jay {PBSG} Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:53 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Window-Eyes public beta released with powerful scripting capability Don't know exactly what happened, but I tried using the new Eloquence option in Window-Eyes 7 and it didn't work. But the worst part was that, after I switched Window-Eyes back to access32, I couldn't get Jaws to talk any more. Jaws would launch but there was no Braille and no speech output. I had to re-install Jaws 9 to get it talking again.-----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:10 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; uaccess-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Window-Eyes public beta released with powerful scripting capability -- Forwarded Message -- From: gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 Is Now Available! After much anticipation, Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 is now available. Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 offers the latest advancements in screen reading technology, including full Unicode support, new scripting functionality, web browsing enhancements, a new synthesizer, and much more. Full Unicode support means the ability to work with more international languages. Web browsing enhancements mean easier navigation between controls, and the ability to add placemarkers that can remember places on a webpage even when the webpage changes. ECI Eloquence 6.1 is now available as yet another speech option. Other enhancements like speed increases for list views, the system tray, and error reporting, being able to increase and decrease the speech rate during read to end, new options for keyboard voice interruptability, and numerous bug fixes make Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 a welcome update. The most notable enhancement in Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1, however, is scripting. Window-Eyes scripting is unparalleled in its design and implementation. Rather than require a scripter to learn a proprietary language, Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 allows a scripter to choose from a number of standard computer languages for writing scripts. This means that more people will be able to take advantage of Window-Eyes scripting, and ultimately more accessibility to more software applications. Access all Window-Eyes features and settings, all operating system windows and properties, create custom accessible dialogs for user interaction with power and ease, and more. To make scripts easily accessible and encourage script development, GW Micro has created a centralized script repository called Script Central (www.gwmicro.com/sc). Script Central provides script developers with the tools to distribute their scripts, and provides scripts users the tools to download, comment, rate and track favorite scripts. The GW Micro forums (www.gwmicro.com/forum) have also been enhanced for general script discussions, script requests, script announcements, and much more. While we encourage everyone to take advantage of Script Central, Window-Eyes scripts can be hosted anywhere and distributed by anyone. Read more about all of the features Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 has to offer, and download your copy, at www.gwmicro.com/beta. ---------- -- Forwarded Message -- From: gw-news@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:41 PM Subject: Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 - Default Installed Scripts Greetings, Window-Eyes 7.0 Beta 1 includes four script packages, automatically installed for your convenience, that demonstrate the power Window-Eyes scripting provides to enhance your daily computing experience. The information for each script below is also found in the script's help and options. You can access a script's help and options by opening the Script Manager dialog (from the Manage Sets and Scripts pull down in the Window-Eyes File menu), selecting the script you're interested in, then selecting the Help and Options button (or pressing the Help and Options button shortcut, H). GW Toolkit The GW Toolkit script provides a collection of commonly used shared objects for use with other scripts, such as providing consistent help information, managing hotkeys, and much more. The rest of the scripts listed below require the GW Toolkit script's functionality. You can read more about the objects contained in the GW Toolkit by reading through the gwtoolkit.chm Help file, installed automatically to your user profile directory. AutoComplete AutoComplete provides announcement of inline autocompleted text and suggestion list items in supported combo edit boxes, such as those in the Start Menu's Run dialog, standard file save and open dialogs, and many other areas. To disable the speaking of inline autocompleted text, select the "Do Not Speak" radio button. To speak only the text that autocompleted, select the "Speak Completed Text" radio button. To speak the entire line (i.e. what has been typed plus the text that autocompleted), select the "Speak Entire Line" radio button. To hear an index of the number of suggestions provided in the suggestion popup list, check the "Speak Suggestion Index" check box. To hear the first item in the suggestion list spoken, check the "Speak First Suggestion" check box." If toggling the "Enable Inline Autocomplete" check box does not work, you can always verify this setting manually by toggling the "Use inline AutoComplete" check box under the Advanced tab of the Internet Options control panel. Note that the suggestion popup list does not have anything selected by default. To select the first item (the same item spoken if the "Speak First Suggestion" option is enabled), press the Down Arrow. LVNav The lvnav script is designed to allow you to virtually navigate a listview. You can use the insert arrows to virtually move through the rows and columns in the listview. Insert-Home and Insert-End move to the beginning and end of a row while Control-Insert-Home and Control-Insert-End move to the top and bottom of a column. You can also use Alt-1 through Alt-0 to read columns 1 through 10. If you want to set focus to the virtual item you are on use Insert-Enter. If you want to set focus to the virtual item and add it to the current selection use Control-Insert-Enter. This script can be loaded globally to be available for all listviews or in a specific application to only be available for listviews within that application. Progress Indicator This script is designed to get you immediate feedback on the status of progress bars in the active window. There are two types of progress bars. The main progress bar contains a visual indicator as to the progress giving sighted users a percentage from 0 to 100. Marquee bars are similar but they dont give a percentage. Instead they just give a sighted user an indication that progress is being made. This script gives you the ability to monitor both types independently. Virtual View Virtual View displays a text view of any window. To include graphic labels, check the Include Labeled Graphics option. To include the window type where the text came from, check the Include Window Types check box. To prompt for the window to retrieve the text from, check the Always Ask for Window Type check box. Virtual View also offers several quick keys for accessing the dialog where the text originated. For example, if a button called Close exists in the dialog where you obtained the virtual view from, you can place your cursor on the word close, and press the letter L to close the Virtual View dialog, and click the close button -- all in one key stroke. In addition to L for Single Left Click, other commands are: R for Single Right Click, D for Double Left Click, M for Middle Click, P for Route Mouse, and F for Focus Control. 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