Re: Window Eyes
- From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:54:08 -0500
Wow--what a thread --
I own both jaws and an older version of WE, and I tend to side a little with
Teddy, while understanding the argument that window eyes enthusiasts are
taking. First, a blind person needs to learn so many sets of hot keys,
windows/application/screen reader and whatever else -- that it is extremely
annoying to be told to change to a new configuration just to do basic
operations with a screen reader. And second, someone mentioned something
about using a mouse cursor and text cursor independently in window eyes --
but how is this different from what jaws does? In fact, jaws has 3 (or
more?) cursors that can be used in scripting to jump around to wherever the
user wants, or route to wherever, so could someone more familiar with both
jaws and window eyes explain what the differences are in cursor handling?
I'm not a proficient window eyes user and would like to know. Or maybe I
should go vista and download nvda or SAToGo...
And speaking of vista, jaws currently doesn't work on the 64 bit version --
does window eyes?
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:40 AM
Subject: RE: Window Eyes
The WE JAWS layout didn't "anger" me, I just found it annoying. Office 2007
claims a lot of backward compatibility for keystrokes with Office 2003 and
before. I find this really annoying too as partial compatibility is more
confusing than no intentional compatibility at all.
I also find that superfluous incompatibility for incompatibility sake is
really annoying. After we put Quick Keys into JAWS, GW came out with a
similar feature but rather than using us as a model, picked a different set
of keystrokes which did little more than confuse people who need to use
both.
I don't know, I've never been a UI guy so I'm probably full of poop on this
subject.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:34 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Window Eyes
Octavian Rasnita wrote:
"it could be made to work like Jaws..."
As a Window Eyes user of many years who is also competent if not
amazingly proficient with JFW, working like JAWS is the last thing I
want Window Eyes to do. Which is exactly the point. There can be plenty
of arguments made about the philosophies behind the different UI's that
JFW and Window Eyes employ, but the truth is that you couldn't use
Window Eyes wanting it to be JFW more than you could use JFW wanting it
to be Window Eyes. This is why I frowned on the JFW keyboard layout
option. ON the one hand, I totally value the ease of transition for JFW
users not familiar with Window Eyes. ON the other, you really can't slap
the JFW layout onto the guts of Window Eyes no matter what you do
because of their fundamental differences. So the JFW layout only ends up
angering people like Teddy because it really isn't a JFW layout in the
sense that they want it to be.
Jared
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