Well, in that case I guess it wouldn't be too hard to create a real good Jaws key layout in Window Eyes.
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: RE: Window Eyes No, changing keystrokes is as easy in a screen reader as anything else. WE has a different UI metaphor that is less reliant on modality than JAWS - it isn't better or worse, just different but its default layout uses up more keys than JAWS. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:01 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Window Eyes Oh yes, but if Window Eyes could offer a wE2Jaws key layout combination, it could be made to work like Jaws. Of course, Window Eyes should be able to really change the hotkeys it uses, so they shouldn't be hard coded, but I think that this is much harder in a screen reader than on other apps, because the screen readers are much linked to the OS than other programs. Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:54 PM Subject: RE: Window Eyes Hi, Window-Eyes does have something like a keyboard manager. Unfortunately, though, it has fewer modifier keys that it can use (no Num Lock for instance) so your options are pretty limited. Also, unlike JAWS where the user switches contexts to use the PC cursor, the "review" (JAWS) cursor or invisible cursor Window-Eyes has the PC and its equivalent of the JAWS cursor active at all times so all of the cursor movement keystrokes are doubled at any point which cuts down on available keystrokes for you to assign to features you use often. cdh -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marlon Brandão de Sousa Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:21 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Window Eyes Hello, The guy who stated the thing about scripting was I, and your message is pretty right. So far, Teddy and others are discussing personal preferenses, which I think is something good but not to the programming lists. What I would like to ask is if window eyes has a keyboard manager so that it is possible for example to map the numpad arrows to the main keyboard ones and things like that, because if it is so people can just map whatever key they want to do whatever task exists. So far, besids the scripting aspect, which works pretty well in JAWS, another thing this screen reader did to be put in a superior level than all the others for a long time is being totally adaptable, sinse it is possible to set every thing inside it .. including all the keys. Well FS had everything it needed to make jaws a "uncatchable" screen reader, whoever planned jaws the way it is was a [pretty clever person ... but, as time goes, FS is forgetting its original goals and JAWS is and will loose its condition if nothing is done. And it doesn't seen like anything will be done given the aparent new way FS has of seeing the market and the people's needs now. Marlon 2008/4/13, Mario Percinic <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>:
Well, that's the problem my friend because you don't like to learn new things and you'll always stay behind, mumbeling that this or that doesn't work as you expect. If someone who is blined wants to be good in what ever feeld, specially I.T, he or she has to learn allot in order to have good information and in order to represent blind community. First, try to ajust to new software, learn how to use it, and don't expect from it to do
exactly
what its suppose to do as your previous screen reader did, because windoweyes is not jaws, it has its own strenghs and weeknesses, but
stating
that jaws is the best screen reader, is just not right from various points of view. First, windoweyes people never released their version out before they weren't sure that 99 % of the things worked as they expected, which
is
not the case with freedom scientific. So many versions of jaws came out which from time to time became more and more buggy, and since jfw 7, from user points of few we can't see nothing special in the improvement of new versions, just various changes reguarding controls of this or that application. Jaws 8 ... what was that, nothing, unstable comercial application, for which some users paid hell allot of money. vista was released, all other screen readers including, dolphins hal, system access, gw's windoweyes and even nonvisual desktop access which is open source screen reader found better way how to handle problems with vista than it
was
the case with freedom scientific. Ok, jaws 9 is released, and since i'm using it, i can see that its
stability
improved, but on the other hand freedom is geting worse and worse in their sapi5 support, which is very funny, considering the case where FS people advertize support for sapi5 and their partnership with nuance which
provides
realspeak tts synths which are btw multilingual. Maybe jfw 9 works good only with english synths and switching between eloquence and some realspeak tts works good, but when there are different languages and tts synths installed on the system and when jaws 9 is used,
it
has really lots of problems with sapi5, and that's because of very bad
sapi
5 jaws driver for it. That means again that someone who is programming and testing the application did very bad job at the beta testing stage. I worked in the Croatian association of the blind, oficial Jaws dealer for Croatia and since i started to notice the problems with various sapi5 synths, i was reporting the problems to freedom scientific very
frequently,
exchanged lots of email messages with them providing them with all info
they
needed and even had a few phone calls with their tech support. What i got
as
the end answer from their tech support is something like this: "hello, we are working for sapi5 support for arabic speech synth which
will
work with jaws. On our systems we don't have problems wehn the speech
synths
are switched, so we can tell that jaws works good with sapi5 support". After the answer like this, what can you think about it. Nothing special, Freedom scientific is doing what they think is the best, and they don't
care
for the end customers, which is not the case with the rest of the companys involved in the screen reader development. Gw came out with universal scripting system for windoweyes and com automation objects which supports scripting in what ever programming language. and i'm very curious with what will fs do to keep up, i'm afraid nothing special. More and more users will slowly switch to windoweyes,
why,
because for the same amount of money you will get more features and much better tech support, + when you want to use remote desktop, you don't need to pay extra 200 bucks just to get support for rdp which is the case with jaws. When you buy windoweyes you get portable version which works very
wel
from the thumb drive. I'm not going to state the names of very good blind developers and
computer
users just to protect them, but from their statements on various lists, blogs and shows, you can see that they are acomplishing their daily tasks much better with windoeyes than with jaws, which wasn't the case a few
years
back. Someone stated a few days ago that todays screen reader success is in the scripting support, and really that's true, who ever finds a better way how to write easy interface for scripting which will provide easy usage and
good
flexibility, is the winner. What to tell you at the end, just what i told you at the beginning, stop complaining and start learning new things. If you will be good in the
things
you do, you can look for the jobs in the other countrys and leave Romania, at leest that's what i do now.
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