RE: Why isn't Open Office on Windows Accessible?

  • From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:40:03 -0400

Jay, can you contact me off list, I'd like to merge code bases, if you're 
interested?

I've got that java screen readerr which is an extension of listeners that Ken 
wrote which in turn is an extension of the test SR
that Peter Korn wrote .... So, I'd like to combine that in, and release it 
under GPL or something similar.

Take care,
Sina

________________________________

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:24 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Why isn't Open Office on Windows Accessible?


WE4Java can be obtained from the GW Micro Script Central web site. It requires 
Window-Eyes 7.1 or higher and java 1.5 or higher.
 
I have created a SourceForge project for the Java Accessibility Client (JAC) 
but the source code, which is primarily based on the
WE4Java architecture, is not yet uploaded as I am making some changes to allow 
it to run wthout being tied to a specific screen
reader. 
 

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Kerneels Roos <mailto:kerneels@xxxxxxxxx>  
        To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:02 AM
        Subject: Re: Why isn't Open Office on Windows Accessible?

        I would say that with NVDA one has far more than "limited success" with 
Open Office, but it's just not as smooth as I'm
positive it could be. Also, some dialogs do not voice properly.
        
        The main point is, OO is not considered to be accessible under windows 
although it might be more accessible than other
office suites even, it is known as not being accessible. How does one remedy 
this and also the perception of people. Could OO be
certified as being as accessible as Java allows or something?
        
        We4java and JAC sounds very interesting. Where can one obtain those 
from?
        
        Best regards,
        Kerneels
        
        
        On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Jay Macarty 
<jay.macarty2009@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
        

                One of the ideas I have been toying with for the java screen 
reader (either we4java or jac) is providing a set of
runtime annotations which could be used to enhance an application's 
accessibility by allowing the app developer to put in self
voicing annotations. There are differing schools of thought on self voicing. 
Some say it is good because the developer knows the app
best and where self voicing would be helpful. On the other hand, putting in 
self voicing without providing the user a way of
controling it or turning off certain levels of it, takes away from the user's 
control over the accessibility feedback. If we put
self voicing annotations into the java screen reader, a developer could add 
them in if desired but the base screen reader code base
would still have control and could provide a common mechanism for allowing the 
user to adjust the self voicing feedback.
                 

                        ----- Original Message ----- 
                        From: Ken Perry <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  
                        To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
                        Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:20 PM
                        Subject: RE: Why isn't Open Office on Windows 
Accessible?


                        I agree with Chris H.'s answer but I want to point out 
it's our fault it's not already accessible.  I wrote
a simple talking java screen reader that did very little but it made it so I 
could use  Open Office. Crappily but the buttons talked
and all and I did this in like 200 lines of code.  I know that code got passed 
around and I have since lost my copy but it  can be
done by replacing the access bridge with self voicing code.  It just takes 
someone actually doing it. 

                         

                        I am interested to see where Open Office goes now that 
it is Oricals.  I am worried about all Java stuff now
that Orical is trying to Sew Google into stopping Android.  It's a crazy world.

                         

                        Ken

                        From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Kerneels Roos
                        Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:30 AM
                        To: programmingblind
                        Subject: Why isn't Open Office on Windows Accessible?

                         

                        Hi List,
                        
                        Sorry if this question has been raised before and dealt 
with. Does anyone know exactly why the Windows
version of Open Office is only partly accessible with a screen reader, while 
the Linux version is streets ahead? Because Open Office
is written in Java I assume the code base is 98% identical across platforms. Is 
the problem mainly with the JAB (Java Access Bridge)
or with the screen readers themselves? Could the JAB not be open sourced so it 
can be updated to bridge Java, MSAA, UIA and any
other access middle ware standard? 
                        
                        NVDA works the best with Open Office, so I would assume 
it makes the best use of the JAB. Is there other
Java to access technology middle ware in common use today?
                        
                        I can remember a really long thread that in part had 
some info on Java accessibility, but I just can't
justify going through all that to possibly find out more.
                        
                        Keep well
                        
                        
                        -- 
                        Kerneels Roos
                        Cell/SMS: +27 (0)82 309 1998
                        Skype: cornelis.roos
                        
                        The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse 
gets the cheese!

                         




        -- 
        Kerneels Roos
        Cell/SMS: +27 (0)82 309 1998
        Skype: cornelis.roos
        
        The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese!
        
        



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