RE: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming tutorials
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:05:48 -0400
Hi Tyler,
Thank you. You have me laughing at myself, which is good. I feel badly about
those days.
Jim
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler Littlefield
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 10:54 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
tutorials
What happened toward the end with blindprogramming is rather confusing. Jim
spent most of his hours screaming about off topic messages and
banning/suspending and generally flaunting admin. Then he just sort of died
off, and the list got handed off to Jeff. I think it's managed a lot better
now, you hardly see the admin and there aren't to many times when he has to say
something. This said, it would be nice if we had a collective site, where
content could be posted like blindprogramming.com. It would be nice to see it
organized better, possibily as suggested in wiki form, though as was already
said, I haven't seen to many contributors to wikis.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
http://tds-solutions.net
Twitter: sorressean
On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Janet Swisher wrote:
> The general pattern that has been observed over and over in many
> online communities is the 90/9/1 rule. That is, 90% of people only
> read; 9% contribute a little; only 1% contribute significantly. (See
> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html) Don't be
> surprised or disappointed if this group matches that pattern; it's
> normal. The advantage of a wiki is that it removes the gatekeeper, so
> that someone other than the originator of the site *can* maintain the
> content if needed.
>
> Of course, somebody still needs to be responsible for hosting the site
> and keeping up the domain name. If that person drops the ball or goes
> missing, you can still end up screwed (as happened with the previous
> domain name).
>
> --Janet
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I think Jim Homme said BlindProgramming.com was lost due to a virus, but he
>> can clarify if I misunderstood.
>>
>> A wiki sounds great in theory. In practice, however, I have observed that
>> very few people actually contribute writing to a wiki. I have seen this
>> over and over, where someone proposes a wiki, encouraging responses say it's
>> a great idea, and then it never gets off the ground, or is initially
>> launched but hardly anyone actually contributes to it. I have seen versions
>> of this idea on this list, the JAWS scripting list, the Window-Eyes
>> scripting list, the BlindMath list, and others. So, I have no problem with
>> the idea, itself, but ask those interested why do they think this time that
>> it will turn out differently?
>>
>> Jamal
>>
>>
>> On 7/5/2010 1:50 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>
>>> Well the wiki is not what killed it what killed it is someone did not pay
>>> the net bill. That could have happened even if the page stayed the way it
>>> was.
>>>
>>> Oh and by the way why hasn't someone put in for something like
>>> blindprogramming-usa.com or something more generic like
>>> blindprogramming-free.net or .com or something
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>>> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 1:07 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>> tutorials
>>>
>>> ok, I skipped a few posts on this line due to some troubles, a note here
>>> the
>>>
>>> former owner did this, switched to a wikki and that is when the blind
>>> programming site went flat on its nose then we lost the site and then the
>>> site name
>>>
>>> I will assist where possible, but I have to wonder if this try will do any
>>> better than the first one did?
>>>
>>> up to you folks, just wanted to let these facts be known.
>>>
>>> elf
>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jared Wright"<wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 7:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>> tutorials
>>>
>>>
>>>> Definitely no deficiency, but it requires Jamal to handle putting all the
>>>> content online himself. Same for Elf with his site. This way the
>>>> community
>>>
>>>> can directly effect the site's content, which will probably lead to more
>>>> relevant and up to date information. Swell idea, I think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/4/2010 10:02 PM, qubit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm coming to this thread late, but what about jamal's
>>>>> nonvisualdevelopment.org site?
>>>>> It sounds like it does all the things people want.
>>>>> Or is there a deficiency?
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will talk to the people who can say yes but I think APH will give
>>>>> blind
>>>>> programming a permanent home if people think it's a good idea. We could
>>>>> run
>>>>> the email list from there in fact we could run multiple and we could
>>>>> have
>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> droople page where everything is kept. The same people that work on it
>>>>> now
>>>>> could do what little they can do an we could all share the
>>>>> responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
>>>>> McBride
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:28 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's the only way to go, Ken. Drupal is powerful enough to
>>>>> host anything from a simple website to a large online community,
>>>>> accessible both in terms of its administration& useability,& is
>>>>> perfectly suited for something like this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've partnered w/a web developer friend of Mine, Elise Lonsdale,&
>>>>> used drupal to make
>>>>> http://jawsscripting.lonsdalemedia.org
>>>>> We've found it to be a rewarding venture in terms of the way Drupal
>>>>> works. It does have somewhat of a steep learning curve initially, but
>>>>> I think that's the same w/all web development. Elise says it's a lot
>>>>> easier than other CMS's she's worked with. My vote is, if u can get
>>>>> it, we should do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/4/10, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't understand why we don't get a droople page set up. If people
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> interested I will talk to APH about hosting a true droople site for
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> programmers. I would end up being the one choosing editors so I could
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> any number of you guys edit the page. It would be done with the simple
>>>>>>
>>>>> wiki
>>>>>
>>>>>> language and would be easy to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you all think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:46 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alright, sounds great, as I said in my post, I would do the work, but
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> time is getting squeezed out of existence, adding one page link will be
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> trouble, its the maintenance and such that would wring me out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll send you a blanked body page so all the color and other stuff
>>>>>> matches
>>>>>> the site, and you just fill in the body, I usually use H2 headers for a
>>>>>> section like changing from the C section to the C++ one, and h3 for sub
>>>>>> divisions within a section myself, but as long as it's navagateable its
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elf
>>>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>>>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Alex Midence"<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello, Elf,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be willing to write the page. I can send it to you and you
>>>>>>> could link it to your site. I don't have website hosting at the
>>>>>>> moment or I'd do it. It would make much more sense to place it in a
>>>>>>> frequented site like yours or the blind developers' site though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could structure it by giving each language a heading with links to the
>>>>>>> corresponding tutorials in an unordered list. Make it quick to
>>>>>>> navigate that way. Would also make sense to link any editors, ide's
>>>>>>> and compilers within it as well so it's a one-stop experience. I
>>>>>>> think this would make for a flexible format because if someone wants
>>>>>>> to let us know about a link to tutorials for a language we don't have,
>>>>>>> all we have to do is add a heading for it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>>> ps There's another Alex out here somewhere. Figured I'd sign with my
>>>>>>> last initial to keep confusion to a minimum.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/2/10, The Elf<inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if someone will update and send me the page I will add it to my site,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> don't have the time right now to do decent updating on the grab bag
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> since
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have to have the beta version of my pencil and paper RPG game ready
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>>> in a few months and am short on useable time as it is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> elf
>>>>>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>>>>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>>>>>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>>>>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>>>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>>>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Homme, James"<james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Where did the blind programming site go?: was:
>>>>>>>> programming
>>>>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> Go up to http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org or the Elf's grab bag
>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamal, I can pull information from this thread together and send to
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the FAQ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
>>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie
>>>>>>>> McBride
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:04 PM
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: Where did the blind programming site go?: was: programming
>>>>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blindprogramming.com seems like it's dead. This thread about
>>>>>>>> tutorials
>>>>>>>> & stuff is good, but it remains on this list. Any possibility we
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> get a wiki or something in which to store this info?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Change the world--1 deed at a time
>>>>>>>> Jackie McBride
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