When the next generation web verification systems go on-line we're all going to be left out. That's on the way now because the spam houses have people employed to do all of the web verification for everyone of their targets and that's being done by humans not hardware/software. That's also how they'll stay ahead when scrambled letters get replaced by pictures and mouse-operated dials and messages telling people to reposition pictures with those dials. There's enough money being made that hiring people to hack through multiple web verifications every day is now economically efficient. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:56 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Web User Verification Screens Hello everyone, Also include the ability to make this information available to screen readers while hiding it from spam bots. There are people being left behind such as the deaf-blind. Audio captchas won't work if you cannot hear them. This population is tired of being left out of Web accessibility. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ladis" <tom@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:48 AM Subject: Web User Verification Screens Hello all. I have been running into more and more of the web based verification screens that ask me to read a bunch of scrambled text, which I usually cannot. Sometimes they offer a "speak it out loud" link, but that often gets stepped on by JAWS announcing the popup. There are third party solutions to the problem, but they require that the user knows about them and that they work correctly with their browser. Does anyone have any ideas for a good replacement for the screen that would: 1. Present the scrambled text 2. Speak it out loud without a popup 3. Be portable across the many platforms ?4. Be a simple replacement to existing solutions I feel that it would be a huge advantage to have all of the necessary features built into an accessible control that I could present to some of the major web sites for their use, to replace the mess that is spreading across the web with the many solutions which all have problems. Maybe something like a Macromedia Flash control but accessible and portable. Thanks, Tom Ladis a __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind