I was trying to read the getting started section and specifically the section on choosing what technologies to use and visual studio crashed on me. Jaws 8.0 went silent and the tab key wouldn't work anymore even though we got a screen up allowing an ok to exit or a cancel to debug dialog. Apparently Microsoft wanted to load a variable into memory that wasn't there. It is true I had clicked lots of links to get down to that level, but it was surprising to also have jaws for windows crash in that way there for me. I ended up shutting the computer down completely then starting it up again. I'll probably spend pretty much time in the command window and immediate window at least when writing console applications. For now, the jsx package still hasn't been approved for installation on any N.M.C.I. machines and that will take at least a year to get done, so I'm going to have to work without installing pre-built scripts until then. Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=> __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind